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by **Hawk Sista** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:55 pm

Hawkstar wrote:That's more of a catch than a catch and a fumble. He had possession with a knee on the ground.

Agreed. BS. !

by **Hawkstar** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:57 pm

Beat down.

D line has been owned.

by **burrrton** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:06 pm

Hawk Sista wrote:Since when does the fumble forward result in a 1st doen

Since NFL referees decided they have no idea what they're doing anymore.

by **obiken** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:12 pm

Its time to admit the Rams are a better team IF they had a good qb, cause they are. Our offense functions well against bad or average defenses, not against good ones.

by **Hawk Sista** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:15 pm

I know it's raining, and I know the Ram's front is formidable (& I even thought we might lose this game).... But really???? What's the HELL is up with the center-to-QB exchange?????

by **Hawk Sista** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:17 pm

obiken wrote:Its time to admit the Rams are a better team IF they had a good qb, cause they are. Our offense functions well against bad or average defenses, not against good ones.

It's time not to over-react to losing to a very good team w/it's 1/2 our effin players out and the refs with their heads up their collective ass!

by **obiken** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:21 pm

But whining about refs is what our beloved Chuck Knox used to call losers laments.

by **mykc14** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:30 pm

Tough loss, but it happens. Sometimes a team just collectively plays like crap. The rams DL made it tough on us. RW was a little off, not stepping up in the pocket like he had been, the ball didn't bounce our way, and we had some tough calls go against us on some big offensive plays. Can't lose the TO battle 3-0. But, lots of weird upsets like that today.

by **mykc14** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:31 pm

Double post.

by **Hawk Sista** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:31 pm

I wasn't whining. I said No Excuses. However, unless one is frickin BLIND, one can see we were hosed several times today. We hosed ourselves too and will likely lose to an inferior team. Our bad. Doesn't change that the officiating sucked.

by **obiken** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:37 pm

mykc14 wrote:Tough loss, but it happens. Sometimes a team just collectively plays like crap. The rams DL made it tough on us. RW was a little off, not stepping up in the pocket like he had been, the ball didn't bounce our way, and we had some tough calls go against us on some big offensive plays. Can't lose the TO battle 3-0. But, lots of weird upsets like that today.

The Ram DL always makes it tough on us. IF we don't get the skins in the first round I think we are toast.

by **curmudgeon** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:39 pm

9-7, road toast.......

by **mykc14** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:42 pm

Lol, even the onside kick was bad. One of those games.

by **Hawk Sista** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:47 pm

With what we've faced, happy to be in the playoffs no matter what position. Week after next is a new season. If we don't have a better running game, we'll only go as far as we'll go. Period.

#GoHawks
#Forever12
#proud

by **burrrton** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:52 pm

Our brittle LG gets some blame.

Didn't think we were capable of playing this pathetically. We'll be one and done.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:18 pm

Hawk Sista wrote:Since when does the fumble forward result in a 1st doen

If the ball doesn't go out of bounds, and isn't batted illegal forward, the spot of the ball is where it was recovered. The call was right. Unfortunately, Sherm and Earl fought for it.

Another player can't "advance" it, but the yardage gained when fumbled forward, does stay. ( similar to Cobb last week or two covering a fumble in the endzone and being ruled a TD).

by **Hawk Sista** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:19 pm

As much as it felt like that Burrrton, Okung, Wiilson, Kam and Beast (maybe) will be back for the playoffs. We match up horribly with the Rams and I'm not gonna panic just yet.

Signing Okung should be an off-season goal.

by **Hawk Sista** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:22 pm

If the ball doesn't go out of bounds, and isn't batted illegal forward, the spot of the ball is where it was recovered. The call was right. Unfortunately, Sherm and Earl fought for it.

Another player can't "advance" it, but the yardage gained when fumbled forward, does stay. ( similar to Cobb last week or two covering a fumble in the endzone and being ruled a TD).

Thank you.

Lots of blown chances. We aren't done yet, though fellas.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:25 pm

Just a bit of sunshine added to this "one and done" pity party, but it's been over 20+ years since a team has gone into the playoffs and won a SB with a winning streak longer than two games. Sometimes believe it or not, losing towards the end of the season refocusses a team. Unfortunately, Carolina, GB also head in with the same distinction. I almost would have preferred all of them had won out.

Ultimately, it IS what a team does THAT week against THAT opponent, not who a team lost to four weeks before. 1-0 every week brings home a Lombardi. Period. If they lost to the Rams 76-0 or 3-2 is completely irrelevant come week one of the playoffs.

by **obiken** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:26 pm

Im sorry HS, I have been at War with Comcast so I just listened to updates. Just Okung being gone would make a huge difference. I have been in Idaho for the past week and I didn't realize we had that many guys out. We have to hope that the Vikes lose today!

by **HumanCockroach** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:34 pm

Why does that matter? If Seattle finishes as the six seed we face either GB or Minnesota instead of the Skins... Do you really think they can't beat either of those teams on the road? I almost would prefer not to risk a key players knee again in that sh#thole stadium they call Fed Ex field....

Honestly, Minnesota is a BETTER matchup for Seattle in the first round than Washington, though Washington isn't a "tough out" by any stretch, they could cause more issues ( more offensive weapons, better QB) than Minnesota which goes as AP goes. Of the three, GB would be the worst, but after watching them play like Seattle just did for the majority of the last half of a season, I'm certainly not certain Seattle can't go in there and shred that suspect defense.

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:38 pm

2013 hawks took a dump at home vs AZ. in week 16. A month later they hoisted the Lombardi. This loss bothers me zero.

by **obiken** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:46 pm

Wow HT my faith in the Hawks is in its infancy compared to you!

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:49 pm

obiken wrote:Wow HT my faith in the Hawks is in its infancy compared to you!

Hey were in. Anything can happen. Regardless of today's result or even next week nobody is going to want to face the hawks

by **Zorn76** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:26 pm

Ah...the good ol' forum after a loss, lol.
Home sweete home.

Look - today was Awful and beyond.

But this had as much to do with us not being able to get out of our own way as anything else. Yes, this was the Rams playoff game, and they did come to play, and played well enough to win. But they still get to go home and pat themselves on the back for (yet another) non playoff season, something they haven't Sniffed now in years.

We stunk. No doubt about it. OL regressed tremendously - even after several of the Rams went out with concussions. No holes for run game, and RW was running for his life much like he was the first 9 games. The offensive line still needs a noticeable change next offseason as well, on that note.

Additionally those turnovers and penalties were killers. And when you allow a lesser team to establish and sustain momentum for most of the game, this is what happens.

Meanwhile, we go into Az next week, and Both teams are gonna go Full Tilt in this one, to be sure. Carolina finally got their stinker out of the way (and they seemed more than relieved post game), and the Cardinals wiped their feet with the Packers all afternoon (& GB had Plenty on the line as well today).

I'm much more aligned with HC on this one. This group is not all of a sudden gonna forget how to win games. With that said, we DESPERATELY need Beast Mode back to equalize the playoff odds. Without him, I get the one-and-done song being sung right now. On that note, I think he will be back, at least for the playoffs. He's also more than capable of regaining form rather quickly, provided he has some lanes to run through.

The x-factor for week 17 is the result for the Minny @ GB match up. If the Vikes end up being one game up after tonight (probably will be), then we root for GB while trying to pull off a win in Arizona next week.

I know it looks bleak just hours after a very disappointing loss. But stranger things have happened. Take a look at the scoreboard today (and our pick em pool:), and you'll see that all kinds of teams blew a golden shot at solidifying their playoff chances or position (GB, Pitt, N.E). It was one of those weeks.

Back off of the ledge. We're gonna be OK.
And hurry back Beast!

by **HumanCockroach** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:03 pm

obiken wrote:Wow HT my faith in the Hawks is in its infancy compared to you!

What faith? I have yet to see you have any, ever. It's always "over" whenever you post, win our lose, doesn't matter.

by **obiken** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:08 pm

Oh ouch that hurts!! Wow. Sorry man for lack of vision!! We recovered enough to be in the playoffs sorry, if I don't believe we beat the Cards, they have too many weapons and a qb that is hard to root against. Our defense has sucked big donkey weenie all year long. WE beat teams were supposed to beat. 2 losses to the Rams, loses to the Cards, Packers, Bengals, and Panthers. Tell me one team that we beat where were not the favorites?? How am supposed to believe that we will go into the Cards house and beat them in the Playoffs, come on get a grip!!

by **HumanCockroach** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:32 pm

obiken wrote:Oh ouch that hurts!! Wow. Sorry man for lack of vision!! We recovered enough to be in the playoffs sorry, if I don't believe we beat the Cards, they have too many weapons and a qb that is hard to root against. Our defense has sucked big donkey weenie all year long. WE beat teams were supposed to beat. 2 losses to the Rams, loses to the Cards, Packers, Bengals, and Panthers. Tell me one team that we beat where were not the favorites?? How am supposed to believe that we will go into the Cards house and beat them in the Playoffs, come on get a grip!!

I don't need one. I choose not to relish saying a team "can't" do anything, because I've been a fan or a player long enough to KNOW anything can and does happen. Keep being that guy all you want, but having "faith" in something begins with a small step towards believing, and I've yet to see you "believe". It is what it is. You wrote us of last year, the year before and the year before. You are the proverbial broken clock, right for two minutes a day and wrong the other 23 hrs. and 58 minutes.

Seattle lost two games to teams they "should" have beat, but by my reckoning that defense is still allowing a top five in scoring, the offense has been clicking for the last two months, and as for teams in the playoffs that they can beat, right now ONLY Arizona looks better, until I see them play each other, I'm not casting anything on stone ( and I believe Arizona also eeked out three games against teams Seattle dismantled, am I wrong? Do you think Cards fans were feeling all warm and fuzzy inside after almost losing to Minnesota after Seattle annihilated them?)....

Perhaps you have forgotten how actually well Seattle played for those losses you listed for the first three and half quarters of those games, but IMHO you can't or won't see that, because it simply doesn't adhere to your long running, strongly professed failure theory.

by **obiken** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:38 pm

All righty then. I love this team Human I just don't subscribe to the cheerleader mentality. We lost those games, good teams find a way to win them, not lose them. As the Tuna once said you are what your record is. We won close games that we were lucky to win, sorry you can kick it around all you want, but 9-7 is 9-7. We'll see next week. IF we get Lynch back at full strength, sure we could beat GB in GB but the Cards are a whole different kettle of fish. BTW the Vike game was on a short week and they killed the Rams 27-3.
We were 11.5 faves to the Rams we lost. We lost to the Rams at their park. What's the Rams record? IF we had Rawls I would be excited but we lost our best back then our starter. Who says ML will even be back, its all fiction right now. Is my fault the OL is, save Okung, a patchwork quilt of cast offs, X-defensive players, and mediocre at best. You have to run the ball and stop the run, to win the Lombardi, we can't do that against the good teams. Moreover, the Cards were up 22-7 we were lucky to come back. We cannot sustain drives against good defenses. That's not my fault either.

by **EmeraldBullet** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:00 am

obiken wrote:All righty then. I love this team Human I just don't subscribe to the cheerleader mentality. We lost those games, good teams find a way to win them, not lose them. As the Tuna once said you are what your record is. We won close games that we were lucky to win, sorry you can kick it around all you want, but 9-7 is 9-7. We'll see next week. IF we get Lynch back at full strength, sure we could beat GB in GB but the Cards are a whole different kettle of fish. BTW the Vike game was on a short week and they killed the Rams 27-3.
We were 11.5 faves to the Rams we lost. We lost to the Rams at their park. What's the Rams record? IF we had Rawls I would be excited but we lost our best back then our starter. Who says ML will even be back, its all fiction right now. Is my fault the OL is, save Okung, a patchwork quilt of cast offs, X-defensive players, and mediocre at best. You have to run the ball and stop the run, to win the Lombardi, we can't do that against the good teams. Moreover, the Cards were up 22-7 we were lucky to come back. We cannot sustain drives against good defenses. That's not my fault either.

We are 9-6. Why are you writing us off next week?

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:21 am

In 2013 Seattle intercepted Carson Palmer 4 times at the Clink and figured out a way to lose. Russ and the receivers were dreadful. Russ looked like a Hall of Famer yesterday compared to that turd and he hoisted a Lombardi 5 weeks later.
Giants were 9-7 in 2011 and won the Superbowl.

It was demonstrated once again yesterday that Fisher owns Carroll and Bevell a lot of the time.Its just how it is. Fisher game plans Wilson exceptionally well much of the time. The Rams front 7 is formidable to Seattle no matter who is in the jerseys.In 2013 in ST Lois they held Seattle to 120 yards and 7 first downs with a healthy Beast Mode in the backfield .Somehow including a last second goal line stand Seattle won.In Seattle it was a foul fest and took a career game from Golden Tate to separate late. Last year in a must have game at Clink they shut out Seattle in the first half and we only claimed HFA with a 2nd half pick 6 by Irvin,a second half Int by Jordan Hill, and an ET strip of a runner on our goal line.

They eat our lunch, they have had our number.They have won 3 of 4 against us. If they ever get a real QB they would be frightening, especially with Gurley.
Thank goodness they aren't in the tourney.

But we are.Getting knocked out of the 5 might be a blessing in disguise anyway.I would rest everyone who is hurting again next week. I think its better that we're away from the Clink this year. It hasn't been much help anyway,5-3 should have been 4-4.
This is a good year and team to be the hunters, not the hunted. There is plenty enough experience and talent to win it all...

by **c_hawkbob** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:22 am

A doomsayer mentality is no more inherently accurate than a cheerleader mentality OBI. The doomsayer may comfort them self by claiming to be right more often by calling for failure if all we're talking about is winning the Super Bowl every year but I'd dare say the cheerleader enjoys the ride more.

The only difference our record going into the playoff means is how many opportunities to lose we will face in the playoffs. A fact that can be recognized from either vantage point. Whether we're 10-6 or 9-7 we will still be the team nobody wants to face.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:56 am

Their DL dominated our OL yesterday, as they have often done the last few years even in some games we won.
The question for us is how many other teams match up like that that we will have to face this year? Carolina might be one and the Cards DL seems to be pretty good, too.
Our OL is pretty young, and they will have their ups and downs, but losing any player can send ripples across it and I think that was a little bit of the issue, as well.
If Okung does leave in FA, we might just see this again to start the season, so I hope they can find a way to keep him.

I hope this isn't what Cable had in mind for Lynch to adapt to... (sarcasm)

by **HumanCockroach** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:03 am

Was it not a short week for the Vikings as well? Did Seattle get run on, at any point this year, was Seattle unable to run at any point this season until yesterday? Your own reasoning makes you look lost. When you are fighting yourself I have zero reason to point out how lost you are. Seattle does the things it takes to win the Lombardi per your OWN admission, yet you can't see it, because out doesn't fit your "they're garbage" mentality.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:17 am

obiken wrote:All righty then. I love this team Human I just don't subscribe to the cheerleader mentality. We lost those games, good teams find a way to win them, not lose them. As the Tuna once said you are what your record is. We won close games that we were lucky to win, sorry you can kick it around all you want, but 9-7 is 9-7. We'll see next week. IF we get Lynch back at full strength, sure we could beat GB in GB but the Cards are a whole different kettle of fish. BTW the Vike game was on a short week and they killed the Rams 27-3.
We were 11.5 faves to the Rams we lost. We lost to the Rams at their park. What's the Rams record? IF we had Rawls I would be excited but we lost our best back then our starter. Who says ML will even be back, its all fiction right now. Is my fault the OL is, save Okung, a patchwork quilt of cast offs, X-defensive players, and mediocre at best. You have to run the ball and stop the run, to win the Lombardi, we can't do that against the good teams. Moreover, the Cards were up 22-7 we were lucky to come back. We cannot sustain drives against good defenses. That's not my fault either.

I hear ya, Obi. I'm much less optimistic about this team than any of the prior 3 seasons. This will be the worst regular season W/L record we've had since 2011. And I do think there's some merit to what the Tuna said about your W/L record defining your team. This team is a far cry from the one that hoisted the Lombardi.

I've intentionally lowered my expectations about the playoffs. That doesn't mean that I expect us to lose, just that I won't be surprised if we do. In each of the past 3 years, I honestly felt that we were the best team in the NFC. Not so this season. I'm approaching the playoffs this season with a much higher degree of trepidation.

But having laid out my gloom and doom scenario, I still feel we have the talent to get on a hot streak and return to the SB, if we can get a couple of key players healthy and if the stars line up just right.

And yes, Sis, we do need to make re-signing Okung our top offseason priority. Although I've seen him get b**** slapped by the Rams, too, we are obviously a much better team with him in there than we are without him. His being injury prone is just something we're going to have to deal with and hope it doesn't come at a time when we match up poorly, like we have with the Rams.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:57 am

I cant say I'm doing handsprings over this result or especially how it went down. Of course looking around the league a lot of playoff teams had problems yesterday. My optimism this year is based solely on the fact we are in, we have a shot. I had given that up for dead after the AZ loss sitting 4-5 and looking at the schedule. There are 20 teams and millions of their fans who would love to be in our position right now.

And the Seahawks are the most battle tested team in the NFC BY FAR. Yeah we might lose, wouldn't shock me. Another title wouldn't either though.
But its been a heck of a ride already.
I'm just, as Beast said so eloquently "thankful". Thankful to be a fan of the greatest franchise in the NFL. GO HAWKS!!!!!!

by **obiken** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:38 am

Thanks River. Don't you think that a lot of posters confuse analytics with faithlessness? I always hope I am wrong, I don't like being right on losses. Maybe being Doom man protects me from painful losses I don't know??!!
Human, love me or not the real question is why did the league move the Panther-Buck game? Because they knew that once the Panthers lost there is a potential that the Cards would skate. Now with a 1pm WC start time we are not going to know. Moreover, we wont know who we play till after 8pm WCtime.
So the question for everyone is since we are so bunged up do we save our wounded players or go all out to try to beat the Cards? There is no perfect answer. I say rest them.
HT, I love your enthusiasm, I really do, but the 9-7 Giants were the exception not the rule. We never have been a bunch of road warriors. As Madden said its usually the hottest team with the best record that wins the SB. IF GB wins tomorrow, then we would have to beat GB, Carolina, and the Cards, all on the road. Without giving Human ammo, could we? Yeah IF Marshawn came back at 100% would could. What are probabilities? No, we probably wont be able to climb that mountain, but one can always hope!

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:52 am

With our Defense, we will always have a chance and should compete in every game, even if they aren't as good as the last 2 years.
If we win or lose will probably depend on if the Offense can contribute enough, and it starts with the OL as we saw yesterday.
As said above, there won't be too many DLs that have the talent the Rams do, but we still have to play our best up front to have a chance.

by **HumanCockroach** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:12 pm

If you are using analytics, you might want to rework your formula, because 98% of the time you're simply wrong. Per your own post, the Seahawks do exactly what is necessary to win another Lombardi and yet you come on week after week professing loss after loss, write them off for dead, and then watch them succeed or fail. Year after year they aren't good enough, yet last I checked, Seattle is the team playing in the SB the last two seasons.

I certainly do not prescribe to the fan boy approach, never have and never will. No one has been harder on Wilson for example, YET when he plays well I'm at least capable of acknowledging it, and relishing it. There's a difference between being "realistic" and analyzing matchups and simply being negative. You passed analyzing years ago.

by **obiken** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:30 pm

I have never had a problem with the way RW plays. I have a problem with the OL, and the way PC put it together. 98% of the time? that's just a not true. A lot of experts wrote off the Hawks this year, they finally got it done against a lot of B class opponents. I am happy about that.
Most of my years with you guys has been trying to get the kind of players that I knew could bring about a title. Not about the state of the team. Look how much Holmy trash PC sent down the road, that a lot of you guys defended. I bitched about players like Tubbs, Spencer, Locklear, Womack, ect ect ect
IF we go into GB and beat the Packers I will just love to hop on your Cotton Candy Ass express.
But to attack just me is outta line.

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