2022 NFL Draft

[RiverDog]

Exactly.
The 2012 draft was widely panned by these types of clowns.
The reality is we won’t be able to accurately grade this draft for 3 or 4 years so anything now is
just wild speculation.

Fully understood and agreed. However, I'm asking for your impressions at this point in time. Mine is that we're a notch or two below the absolute best.

[Aseahawkfan]

My general impression is it was a solid, if unspectacular draft. Drafting tackles make you feel like they understand we need to build the O-line, but tackles are never an exciting pick for me.

I'm hoping this pass rusher we picked is the real deal. We need a guy who go get the QB.

RB seems solid. Should be able to push for a job in year one.

CBs look like the type of guys Pete can turn into something.

Overall, looked like a solid draft. Hopefully it will be one of Pete and John's better drafts.

[tarlhawk]

My overall impression of this draft was to be honest fairly close to what I had hoped for. I thought John Schneider would be able to take advantage of a draft that paralleled the 2010 draft in quantity and quality of draft pick positioning.

The 2020 draft picks reflect his capabilities and combining the meager 2021 class into this strong 2022 draft class provides a strong core going forward with the 2023 draft also destined to be something to look forward to.


QB ( Undefined for now)

RB (Kenneth Walker III (2022) adds to the excitement of the emergence of Rashaad Penny(2018)

TE (Colby Parkinson (2020) a forgotten Red Zone Assassin)

WR(Dee Eskridge(2021) and Freddie Swain(2020) still untapped potential)

O-Line (Two athletic Bookend LT/RT Charles Cross(2022)/Abraham Lucas(2022) added to G Damien Lewis(2020)and OT Stone Forsythe(2021)...key pieces for Waldron/Dickerson to mold.


D-Line/LB *Def front 7* (Darrel Taylor(2020)/Boye Mafe(2022)/Jordyn Brooks(2020)/Alton Robinson(2020)/Tyreke Smith(2022)...excellent tools for Clint Hurtt/Sean Desai/Aaron Curry to sharpen.

CB/S (Tre Brown(2020) joins Coby Bryant(2022) and Tariq Woolen(2022) under the tutelage of new DB coach Karl Scott and Assistant DB coach DeShawn Shead.

2018/2019 drafts added (P Michael Dickson(2018)/TE Will Dissly(2018)/RB Travis Homer(2019)/WR DK Metcalf(2019)/ G Phil Haynes(2019)/LB Cody Barton(2019)/ S Marquise Blair(2019) and Ugo Amadi(2019)

[NorthHawk]

It was a building block draft and one that was dearly needed after the patchwork approach of
the previous number of years.
They seemed to have a plan this time which was refreshing and addressed many of the needs but
we had so many we still have some more to go.
Center maybe LB, QB, and interior DL are areas still of concern but improving the overall talent level
is a mist if we want to really compete.

[obiken]

It was a building block draft and one that was dearly needed after the patchwork approach of
the previous number of years.
They seemed to have a plan this time which was refreshing and addressed many of the needs but
we had so many we still have some more to go.
Center maybe LB, QB, and interior DL are areas still of concern but improving the overall talent level
is a mist if we want to really compete.

It was a draft of substance over style, it was a draft that Pete didnt botch, it was a miracle!

[RiverDog]

It was a draft of substance over style, it was a draft that Pete didnt botch, it was a miracle!

You seem to have gotten over our passing on Malik Willis. I'm glad that you're coming around and warming up a little. Like you, I'm no Pete Carroll bootlicker, but we have to acknowledge that they did a good job with this draft.

Now, if we can follow this up by not shooting ourselves in the foot by making a stupid trade as we have in the past.

[Hawktawk]

Hey Tawk, instead of telling everyone what they "must think" (you're really not very good at it), maybe just stick to telling us what you think.

OK Bob that is a little snarky so here you go. Ive sat and listened to plenty including you ragging nonstop on our coach FO and ownership over a petulant QB who forced his way out .,blaming the guys who are here for a guy who isn't. But hey Hawks to the end.
I heard many, not necessarily painting you with the same brush who used Penneys injury as a hammer to beat Carroll and JS over the head with to prove their ineptitude.

I read plenty of opinions that its really nothing big to average 6.7 YPC over 6 weeks in the NFL with half a dozen house calls after a year injured and coming back "bad teams don't count":D

Worst of all Bob I read numerous opinions Penney was only stepping it up at the end because it was his Free agent year, ie holding back then letting go to get a contract. Its an insulting thing as one can say about a player frankly and again he proved them dead wrong by taking less money to return here and shut their yaps.Sure sounded to me like some were rooting against him Bob.
But everyone has come to Jesus now and after I was a man on an island supporting Penney for years everyone's been pulling for him all this time. Talk about very little credibility.

[c_hawkbob]

Nothing you just said is evidence to my mind that anyone here is rooting against Penny. None of it. Just because someone doesn't fall in lockstep agreement with a thing you just said doesn't mean they "must" think the opposite.

[Hawktawk]

Maybe the truths is the middle . I’ve just come down on the side of the glass is (more than) half full . I suspect there are those who would rather win an argument than win . Also delusional fans who over estimate . Maybe that’s me . Time will tell . If Penney is who he was last year and Walker passes him all the better . We will have a loaded skill group .

[Hawktawk]

Not a lot of deep dimes being dropped by Wilson lately. I’m hoping we‘ll see some efficiency from Lock or Smith. Play within the offense, move the chains with short and mid routes, and hopefully hit some deep strikes when the opportunity presents itself.

Both quarterbacks have a very poor career TD/INT ratio (Geno's is 34 TD's/37 INT's, Lock's 25 TD's/20 INT) and our OL is likely to be pretty green, so giving them a diet rich in short and mid range throws makes a ton of sense.

Genos career stats are irrelevant . If he was still a pick per TD qb he wouldn’t be on the roster . He had 1 pick when a receiver tripped but still put up10 points in the quarter , got stripped in overtime by TJ watt. That’s it . 102 qbr completed 68.5 %.played great defenses too .

Locke is another story other than a brief period his rookie year. But what this organization has done for Genos game bodes well for Locke as his career averages are bad Geno . If they coach him up to something similar to Geno with that arm watch out .

Sherman has come out and said Genos gonna start. My guy Wyman has hopped off the bandwagon citing concerns about maturity following Genos arrest and subsequent confrontational behavior with police . He said he wants Locke to win out . I don’t care who wins .I want to win whoever’s under center .

[tarlhawk]

I think this recent draft and team focus on a Waldron wide zone offense will benefit whoever comes out of this competition between Geno and Drew. Pete will insist on a run heavy offense and now has two weapons (Penny and Walker) to fuel an effort to balance the terrible time of possession that doomed us in 2021.

Geno has the edge showing that he can excel in a Waldron type offense already...but Drew has the skill set to catch up quickly if he can earn Pete's trust. Pete is not forgiving if a QB causes a turnover forcing our defense to defend the short end of the field. The more film study I see of Drew...the more I feel he got some mixed up coaching.

Dave Canales and his assistant Kerry Joseph have the opportunity to influence two strong armed QBs into cutting down the mistakes that would get them in trouble with Pete. The quicker the O-Line develops the easier it will become for our offense to thrive under Shane Waldron and Andy Dickerson. My sights are set on 2024...but I'd welcome sooner! Go Hawks.

[obiken]

You seem to have gotten over our passing on Malik Willis. I'm glad that you're coming around and warming up a little. Like you, I'm no Pete Carroll bootlicker, but we have to acknowledge that they did a good job with this draft.

Now, if we can follow this up by not shooting ourselves in the foot by making a stupid trade as we have in the past.

One thing is for sure, with dumping Bobby and RW, we will have a lot of cap space. What do you think of us bringing in Mayfield? A lot of people say Seattle is a perfect fit. I am opposed to it myself.

[RiverDog]

You seem to have gotten over our passing on Malik Willis. I'm glad that you're coming around and warming up a little. Like you, I'm no Pete Carroll bootlicker, but we have to acknowledge that they did a good job with this draft.

Now, if we can follow this up by not shooting ourselves in the foot by making a stupid trade as we have in the past.

One thing is for sure, with dumping Bobby and RW, we will have a lot of cap space. What do you think of us bringing in Mayfield? A lot of people say Seattle is a perfect fit. I am opposed to it myself.

I don't want him. For one thing, I think he's over rated. $18M is a damn expensive experiment. The fear would be that he'd play just well enough to earn consideration for a 2nd contract but not well enough to get us into serious contention. Secondly, after several years of being hamstrung by paying a very expensive franchise QB, we're in a rebuild mode, and preserving cap space will help us compete in the free agent market.

We have two #1's and 2 #2 draft picks next season. That's some really good purchasing power if our next QBOTF happens to emerge next season.

[Hawktawk]

You seem to have gotten over our passing on Malik Willis. I'm glad that you're coming around and warming up a little. Like you, I'm no Pete Carroll bootlicker, but we have to acknowledge that they did a good job with this draft.

Now, if we can follow this up by not shooting ourselves in the foot by making a stupid trade as we have in the past.

One thing is for sure, with dumping Bobby and RW, we will have a lot of cap space. What do you think of us bringing in Mayfield? A lot of people say Seattle is a perfect fit. I am opposed to it myself.

Well we didn’t dump Russ that was his choice . We cut Wagner in a classless hurried fashion but he wasn’t worth 20
Million anymore . As for Mayfield I’ve read numerous reports Seattle has Zero interest in him . Cleveland doesn’t want him or his salary . Nobody wants to eat a dime of his salary to try him either or give up and draft capital.

My guess if he was making 5 mil he’s on a team . Dude may wind up not playing for 19.5, getting cut or something . It’s a shocking development , not unlike a player who falls off a cliff in the draft but this was a #1 pick that won 11 games , a playoff game and threw 26 TDs to 8 picks a season ago . .

As for Seattle it’s become pretty clear that they are rolling with the guys in the building whether the fans like it or not . I’m not worried .

[Hawktawk]

And it’s not a damn rebuild . It’s a reload . We got rid of 2 key stars both of whom were slipping one who had checked out and wanted out and got out . He won 6 games .

Rebuild connitates struggling for a few years trying to put it together. Pete and John plan to win right now with the guys in camp and they will . It will be addition by subtraction. The team is stacked in many ways .

[RiverDog]

Not a lot of deep dimes being dropped by Wilson lately. I’m hoping we‘ll see some efficiency from Lock or Smith. Play within the offense, move the chains with short and mid routes, and hopefully hit some deep strikes when the opportunity presents itself.

Both quarterbacks have a very poor career TD/INT ratio (Geno's is 34 TD's/37 INT's, Lock's 25 TD's/20 INT) and our OL is likely to be pretty green, so giving them a diet rich in short and mid range throws makes a ton of sense.

Genos career stats are irrelevant . If he was still a pick per TD qb he wouldn’t be on the roster . He had 1 pick when a receiver tripped but still put up10 points in the quarter , got stripped in overtime by TJ watt. That’s it . 102 qbr completed 68.5 %.played great defenses too .

Locke is another story other than a brief period his rookie year. But what this organization has done for Genos game bodes well for Locke as his career averages are bad Geno . If they coach him up to something similar to Geno with that arm watch out .

Sherman has come out and said Genos gonna start. My guy Wyman has hopped off the bandwagon citing concerns about maturity following Genos arrest and subsequent confrontational behavior with police . He said he wants Locke to win out . I don’t care who wins .I want to win whoever’s under center .

It seems like every post someone makes that even casually puts either Geno or Penny in a bad light, you pick it out at the exclusion of all the other information contained in it then ramble on talking about the same points that you've been harping on for the past 6 months. Then the very predictable response from someone like me is that you're cherry picking, looking at tiny snap shots, rationalizing that which does not support your case, and so on. Wash, rinse, and repeat cycle.

We all know what your position on Geno is. At least here in this forum, it's a minority opinion, so naturally, the more you talk about it, the more negative feedback you're going to receive. That's why you are getting the perception that people are "razzing" you or wanting a player to fail just to prove you wrong when all they are doing is responding to the same exact comments that you've been making since the middle of last season.

[RiverDog]

And it’s not a damn rebuild . It’s a reload . We got rid of 2 key stars both of whom were slipping one who had checked out and wanted out and got out . He won 6 games .

Rebuild connitates struggling for a few years trying to put it together. Pete and John plan to win right now with the guys in camp and they will . It will be addition by subtraction. The team is stacked in many ways .

You call it what you want. I'm calling it a rebuild as I am expecting us to struggle for a few years. I do not believe this team is stacked in any way, at least not on paper and not until I see what our finished product looks like when the whistle blows this September.

[Hawktawk]

I think this recent draft and team focus on a Waldron wide zone offense will benefit whoever comes out of this competition between Geno and Drew. Pete will insist on a run heavy offense and now has two weapons (Penny and Walker) to fuel an effort to balance the terrible time of possession that doomed us in 2021.

Geno has the edge showing that he can excel in a Waldron type offense already...but Drew has the skill set to catch up quickly if he can earn Pete's trust. Pete is not forgiving if a QB causes a turnover forcing our defense to defend the short end of the field. The more film study I see of Drew...the more I feel he got some mixed up coaching.

Dave Canales and his assistant Kerry Joseph have the opportunity to influence two strong armed QBs into cutting down the mistakes that would get them in trouble with Pete. The quicker the O-Line develops the easier it will become for our offense to thrive under Shane Waldron and Andy Dickerson. My sights are set on 2024...but I'd welcome sooner! Go Hawks.

You’re super bright football mind but here’s something I’ve thought a lot about and would like your opinion . Matt Stafford is the world champ . He threw 17 picks to lead the league and 4 were pick 6s, both the highest number in the league . I read your thoughts about Pete punishing QBs who turn it over too much but I think sometimes you gotta put your foot in the ground and stick it to a tight window . I read Russ described by an analyst last year as “ risk averse with a great deep ball”. Watching Geno he seemed to throw to the first read even covered well quite a bit . Not many on the board were impressed with the JAx game but watching it twice I saw Geno complete 15 to start the game and half were well covered . Is it possible for a grip it and rip it gunslinger to be better in the Waldron offense then a scrambling dual threat guy that throws bombs .
GO HAWKS indeed!

[Hawktawk]

"]Not a lot of deep dimes being dropped by Wilson lately. I’m hoping we‘ll see some efficiency from Lock or Smith. Play within the offense, move the chains with short and mid routes, and hopefully hit some deep strikes when the opportunity presents itself.

Both quarterbacks have a very poor career TD/INT ratio (Geno's is 34 TD's/37 INT's, Lock's 25 TD's/20 INT) and our OL is likely to be pretty green, so giving them a diet rich in short and mid range throws makes a ton of sense.

Genos career stats are irrelevant . If he was still a pick per TD qb he wouldn’t be on the roster . He had 1 pick when a receiver tripped but still put up10 points in the quarter , got stripped in overtime by TJ watt. That’s it . 102 qbr completed 68.5 %.played great defenses too .

Locke is another story other than a brief period his rookie year. But what this organization has done for Genos game bodes well for Locke as his career averages are bad Geno . If they coach him up to something similar to Geno with that arm watch out .

Sherman has come out and said Genos gonna start. My guy Wyman has hopped off the bandwagon citing concerns about maturity following Genos arrest and subsequent confrontational behavior with police . He said he wants Locke to win out . I don’t care who wins .I want to win whoever’s under center .

It seems like every post someone makes that even casually puts either Geno or Penny in a bad light, you pick it out at the exclusion of all the other information contained in it then ramble on talking about the same points that you've been harping on for the past 6 months. Then the very predictable response from someone like me is that you're cherry picking, looking at tiny snap shots, rationalizing that which does not support your case, and so on. Wash, rinse, and repeat cycle.

We all know what your position on Geno is. At least here in this forum, it's a minority opinion, so naturally, the more you talk about it, the more negative feedback you're going to receive. That's why you are getting the perception that people are "razzing" you or wanting a player to fail just to prove you wrong when all they are doing is responding to the same exact comments that you've been making since the middle of last season.

As you say I repeat myself and you repeat yourself . I was right about both players to this point and if I become wrong you will hear it from me personally unlike some who cannot admit one time I might have been right about anything .

[tarlhawk]

You’re super bright football mind but here’s something I’ve thought a lot about and would like your opinion . Matt Stafford is the world champ . He threw 17 picks to lead the league and 4 were pick 6s, both the highest number in the league . I read your thoughts about Pete punishing QBs who turn it over too much but I think sometimes you gotta put your foot in the ground and stick it to a tight window . I read Russ described by an analyst last year as “ risk averse with a great deep ball”. Watching Geno he seemed to throw to the first read even covered well quite a bit . Not many on the board were impressed with the JAx game but watching it twice I saw Geno complete 15 to start the game and half were well covered . Is it possible for a grip it and rip it gunslinger to be better in the Waldron offense then a scrambling dual threat guy that throws bombs .
GO HAWKS indeed!

Geno already has Pete Carrol's confidence in limiting mistake throws...Drew is in the early process of learning how to avoid the mistakes he made playing in Denver. Waldrons spread offense should play to both QB's skillsets. Top Billin offers pretty good insight on the strengths of Geno's play 6 months ago while subbing in for Russell. Both QB's have zip to put the ball in tight windows...just need the positive results and confidence.

[TriCitySam]

While I disagree with some about their recent drafting, I agree with the "clowns" on this draft. On the surface, excellent picks and picks that I believe will fit.

[RiverDog]

As you say I repeat myself and you repeat yourself . I was right about both players to this point and if I become wrong you will hear it from me personally unlike some who cannot admit one time I might have been right about anything.

You've been right on a number of occasions. Did I not tell you that you were right over in the OT forum?

I've quit arguing with you about Geno and Penny. It's a circular argument. We're like two dogs chasing their tails. My point was that you hold a nearly singular, minority opinion that is naturally going to draw negative comments. so if you insist rehashing the same old stuff about those two, expect to get called out about it. It doesn't mean that people are wanting to razz you or hope they fail so you're proven wrong. It simply means that they have a little different point of view. Don't take it so personal. We're all friends.

[Hawktawk]

Of course we’re all friends . It’s just when my Friend CHawk bob went from mocking my comments about Walker being regarded the #1 back in this draft by some analyst “says who”? To “ oh I suspect he will be #1 on the depth chart soon “ I have a hard time believing he believes in Penney at all .
All I’ve said is
Penney was not a reach from a standpoint of talent
He was mis used then hurt
His performance albeit brief was frankly out of the world amazing
If he plays like that he’s a starter and a damn good one next year

As for Geno
He played well enough to be a starter somewhere . And against 2 exceptional defenses , 3 if you count rams 4th quarter .
I know how big both samples are
Both are IF situations . If they are healthy . IF their play holds up .
I think the chances of Penney starting are greater then Geno . Based on Pete’s most recent comments and digging into them he’s really trying to motivate Locke . If the 2 guys Locke would seem to be the one with a shot at QBOTF. Even if Geno wins out this year he’s 31 and would have to elevate to another level to be considered for a number of years as a starter. As I’ve said I hope Locke wins, it’s the best for the franchise . But I don’t care . IF Geno is last year let’s roll.

[Aseahawkfan]

You call it what you want. I'm calling it a rebuild as I am expecting us to struggle for a few years. I do not believe this team is stacked in any way, at least not on paper and not until I see what our finished product looks like when the whistle blows this September.

It's a rebuild. Unless you have a QB, you are rebuilding. If you have a QB, then you are reloading.

They all kind of mean the same thing anyway. Slight differences based on the solidity of certain positions.

People have different criteria. For me in the modern NFL if you don't have a QB, you are rebuilding. Once you have the QB, you are maintaining and/or reloading a roster.

You won't win consistently in the modern NFL without the QB position figured out to a high enough level that any consistent other high performing units can do their job. Your QB sets the ceiling and floor of how your team will perform.

[tarlhawk]

Was listening to an interesting piece on our local AM 710 station...the type of offense Waldron (from the McVay coaching tree) wants to run ...has a common pattern at QB (mobile strong arms with avg height around 6'4").

Rams used both Jared Goff (6'4" 217) and Matthew Stafford (6'3" 220). Bengals use Joe Burrow (6'4" 221) and are coached by Zac Taylor (QB Coach for Sean McVay's Rams in 2018).

Drew Lock (6'4" 228) and Geno Smith (6'3" 221) may be a similar "fit" to excel in a Waldron/Dickerson spread zone offense...just saying.

[Aseahawkfan]

Was listening to an interesting piece on our local AM 710 station...the type of offense Waldron (from the McVay coaching tree) wants to run ...has a common pattern at QB (mobile strong arms with avg height around 6'4").

Rams used both Jared Goff (6'4" 217) and Matthew Stafford (6'3" 220). Bengals use Joe Burrow (6'4" 221) and are coached by Zac Taylor (QB Coach for Sean McVay's Rams in 2018).

Drew Lock (6'4" 228) and Geno Smith (6'3" 221) may be a similar "fit" to excel in a Waldron/Dickerson spread zone offense...just saying.

Goff didn't excel, which is why they picked up Stafford. Stafford was good before he came to the Rams.

Joe Burow is showing a lot of promise.

Lock and Smith are known quantities that weren't able to cut it as starters. Maybe one is salvageable, but I wouldn't count on it.

Good QBs are good QBs, they will do well in any offense. I never buy into specific QBs needed for specific offense. If you can play, you'll do well no matter about the rest. If you can't play, they can stick you in a Bill Walsh schemed offense with Jerry Rice and Roger Craig and you won't do well consistently.

I'm not expecting much from Lock or Geno. If they do well, it will be a pleasant surprise. Even if they do, I think John Schneider will still be scouring the college ranks for his next great QB. You can tell Schneider takes a personal interest in scouting QBs. I think he'll find one.

[Hawktawk]

Call it what you will. It’s a team that lost 2 very significant players including the most important position in the league . But he wasn’t special last year and a half and wanted out . Wags helped get Norton fired in the end because he didn’t have the range and he wasn’t crashing downhill anymore . But that’s what he was paid to do . The skill position including DK who is on the cusp of a deal , Penney, Walker III who Dave Wyman called the pick most likely to make an immediate impact , compared his career path to Wilson , Locke , fant is so underrated as to his potential . I hear some speculation the corner that had been converted to defense as a receiver might be switched back . Don’t know the name . I just feel great . If you surround any NFL QB with weapons and keep him standing up
You can win quite a bit .

[Hawktawk]

Was listening to an interesting piece on our local AM 710 station...the type of offense Waldron (from the McVay coaching tree) wants to run ...has a common pattern at QB (mobile strong arms with avg height around 6'4").

Rams used both Jared Goff (6'4" 217) and Matthew Stafford (6'3" 220). Bengals use Joe Burrow (6'4" 221) and are coached by Zac Taylor (QB Coach for Sean McVay's Rams in 2018).

Drew Lock (6'4" 228) and Geno Smith (6'3" 221) may be a similar "fit" to excel in a Waldron/Dickerson spread zone offense...just saying.

Goff didn't excel, which is why they picked up Stafford. Stafford was good before he came to the Rams.

Joe Burow is showing a lot of promise.

Lock and Smith are known quantities that weren't able to cut it as starters. Maybe one is salvageable, but I wouldn't count on it.

Good QBs are good QBs, they will do well in any offense. I never buy into specific QBs needed for specific offense. If you can play, you'll do well no matter about the rest. If you can't play, they can stick you in a Bill Walsh schemed offense with Jerry Rice and Roger Craig and you won't do well consistently.

I'm not expecting much from Lock or Geno. If they do well, it will be a pleasant surprise. Even if they do, I think John Schneider will still be scouring the college ranks for his next great QB. You can tell Schneider takes a personal interest in scouting QBs. I think he'll find one.

JS loved Locke . He thought enough of Geno to bring him back a 4th year which surprised me after his arrest . I don’t think for one minute they expect to be the Tavares Jackson Seahawks and I don’t think they will either . They expect to win with whoever is under center and I remember 10 years ago it was 3rd round undersized guy built more like Ray Rice than Tom Brady . Don’t sleep on anyone in the room including the UDFA. It is not going to matter . People forget this guy dominated a power 5 college conference for a decade building a new team every year . He is uniquely equipped among NFL coaches to pull this off. Playoff next season.

[Aseahawkfan]

JS loved Locke . He thought enough of Geno to bring him back a 4th year which surprised me after his arrest . I don’t think for one minute they expect to be the Tavares Jackson Seahawks and I don’t think they will either . They expect to win with whoever is under center and I remember 10 years ago it was 3rd round undersized guy built more like Ray Rice than Tom Brady . Don’t sleep on anyone in the room including the UDFA. It is not going to matter . People forget this guy dominated a power 5 college conference for a decade building a new team every year . He is uniquely equipped among NFL coaches to pull this off. Playoff next season.

That guy had an elite defense built around him and a run game we hadn't seen since the days of guys like Larry Csonka and Jim Brown with one of the most brutal RBs to ever wear an NFL uniform.

I'm sure Pete will do his best to win just like he did with Tarvaris Jackson and an end of his career Matt Hasselbeck. Who is playing QB don't change how hard Pete will try to win.

I'm telling you that what I see is Lock and Geno as nothing more than placeholders until we get a real QB like Russ again who can make this team competitive for years. You can keep believing and saying whatever you want, but I know 100% you are going to be wrong and that Geno and Lock are not the answer and we won't be winning a Super Bowl with either one of them starting.

I'm also telling you and it will be made clear by future moves that both Pete and John know that Lock and Geno are not starter quality QBs and they are putting the pieces in place to bring in a starter quality QB at some point that John and the scouts are likely looking for right now. That person will be brought in via draft and will do just like Russ did: take the job in camp from these placeholders, solidify the position, and we'll all know that when we see it happen.

There won't be any playoffs next season.

You can keep this post with that prediction. I'm 100% sure we won't be seeing a playoff game next year.

And you are right, Pete knows how to build an NFL team. You should know he knows including knowing when Pete is blowing smoke to the fan base while he personally knows neither of these placeholder Qbs are the answer. And after watching Pete for a decade plus, when he has everything locked in you know it. The competitions for most positions end. The players who are the best at those positions are obvious with no question marks. Pete will stop talking about this guy doing that or that guy doing this and he'll focus on the guys he knows are going take him all the way there.

That's when we'll know we got the next Super Bowl contender. Not this mishmash team of new talent that will be competing and getting sorted out by Pete into a new contending team with John scouring the college ranks for Pete's next contending QB, who isn't here yet.

[RiverDog]

That guy had an elite defense built around him and a run game we hadn't seen since the days of guys like Larry Csonka and Jim Brown with one of the most brutal RBs to ever wear an NFL uniform.

I'm sure Pete will do his best to win just like he did with Tarvaris Jackson and an end of his career Matt Hasselbeck. Who is playing QB don't change how hard Pete will try to win.

I'm telling you that what I see is Lock and Geno as nothing more than placeholders until we get a real QB like Russ again who can make this team competitive for years. You can keep believing and saying whatever you want, but I know 100% you are going to be wrong and that Geno and Lock are not the answer and we won't be winning a Super Bowl with either one of them starting.

I'm also telling you and it will be made clear by future moves that both Pete and John know that Lock and Geno are not starter quality QBs and they are putting the pieces in place to bring in a starter quality QB at some point that John and the scouts are likely looking for right now. That person will be brought in via draft and will do just like Russ did: take the job in camp from these placeholders, solidify the position, and we'll all know that when we see it happen.

There won't be any playoffs next season.

You can keep this post with that prediction. I'm 100% sure we won't be seeing a playoff game next year.

And you are right, Pete knows how to build an NFL team. You should know he knows including knowing when Pete is blowing smoke to the fan base while he personally knows neither of these placeholder Qbs are the answer. And after watching Pete for a decade plus, when he has everything locked in you know it. The competitions for most positions end. The players who are the best at those positions are obvious with no question marks. Pete will stop talking about this guy doing that or that guy doing this and he'll focus on the guys he knows are going take him all the way there.

That's when we'll know we got the next Super Bowl contender. Not this mishmash team of new talent that will be competing and getting sorted out by Pete into a new contending team with John scouring the college ranks for Pete's next contending QB, who isn't here yet.

I agree with everything except with your playoff prediction. I agree that it's more likely than not that we'll miss them again as like you, I'm not that confident in our quarterbacking, but the only certainties in life are death and taxes.

14 out of the 32 NFL teams qualify for the playoffs. There have been some pretty mediocre teams that have made the playoffs over the years. Last season, the Dolphins lost 7 straight games and damn near made them, and by mid December, just 3 teams had been mathematically eliminated. Pete's very first Seahawk team qualified with a losing record. It's not a very high bar to clear and is why I think that it's foolish to measure a team's performance based on playoff appearances.

[c_hawkbob]

That guy had an elite defense built around him and a run game we hadn't seen since the days of guys like Larry Csonka and Jim Brown with one of the most brutal RBs to ever wear an NFL uniform.

I'm sure Pete will do his best to win just like he did with Tarvaris Jackson and an end of his career Matt Hasselbeck. Who is playing QB don't change how hard Pete will try to win.

I'm telling you that what I see is Lock and Geno as nothing more than placeholders until we get a real QB like Russ again who can make this team competitive for years. You can keep believing and saying whatever you want, but I know 100% you are going to be wrong and that Geno and Lock are not the answer and we won't be winning a Super Bowl with either one of them starting.

I'm also telling you and it will be made clear by future moves that both Pete and John know that Lock and Geno are not starter quality QBs and they are putting the pieces in place to bring in a starter quality QB at some point that John and the scouts are likely looking for right now. That person will be brought in via draft and will do just like Russ did: take the job in camp from these placeholders, solidify the position, and we'll all know that when we see it happen.

There won't be any playoffs next season.

You can keep this post with that prediction. I'm 100% sure we won't be seeing a playoff game next year.

And you are right, Pete knows how to build an NFL team. You should know he knows including knowing when Pete is blowing smoke to the fan base while he personally knows neither of these placeholder Qbs are the answer. And after watching Pete for a decade plus, when he has everything locked in you know it. The competitions for most positions end. The players who are the best at those positions are obvious with no question marks. Pete will stop talking about this guy doing that or that guy doing this and he'll focus on the guys he knows are going take him all the way there.

That's when we'll know we got the next Super Bowl contender. Not this mishmash team of new talent that will be competing and getting sorted out by Pete into a new contending team with John scouring the college ranks for Pete's next contending QB, who isn't here yet.

I agree with everything except with your playoff prediction. I agree that it's more likely than not that we'll miss them again as like you, I'm not that confident in our quarterbacking, but the only certainties in life are death and taxes.

14 out of the 32 NFL teams qualify for the playoffs. There have been some pretty mediocre teams that have made the playoffs over the years. Last season, the Dolphins lost 7 straight games and damn near made them, and by mid December, just 3 teams had been mathematically eliminated. Pete's very first Seahawk team qualified with a losing record. It's not a very high bar to clear and is why I think that it's foolish to measure a team's performance based on playoff appearances.

Yeah, other than the 100% certainty I agree with Asea as well. Unfortunately I don't think finding the next Russ is going to be an easy trick.

[tarlhawk]

Finding the "next Russell Wilson" should be almost impossible...Russell Wilson was as unique as he was elite. His short stature was overcome by his excellent conditioning...extreme self-confidence...and soaking up improvements in his talented skill set going forward. His leadership was inspiring and meshed with Pete Carrol's desire to win...the head coach and QB were in sync with expectations. Early claims of being a "game manager" was a role RW performed well at in his early career when Pete had the team in place to benefit from a "point-guard". Russell outgrew his role while Seattle struggled without "The Beast" and the defense became expensive once past their rookie contracts. In the end RW and Pete no longer meshed as their divergence had reached an impasse. RW was no longer happy with Pete's "stubborn" vision and Pete was no longer RW's strongest supporter once a sense of passion aggression played out through the media.

The GM was very telling when asked why it seemed attaining a QB from the 2022 class was ignored when opportunity was there...he expressed how hard it is for a rookie QB to process the demands of leading an NFL team while absorbing all the nuances that complicate the role...and how important it is for the coach and QB to be together in goals.

We are unlikely to find the "next" RW...but we can find a QB who exemplifies the coaching...the play makers...the TEAM! Go Hawks

[NorthHawk]

We aren't going to find a Russell Wilson clone, rather the search is for someone who can be as successful in their own way.
When it happens it will be a player who is somewhere between a Peyton Manning statue and a Kyler Murray whirlygig.
And that's a large spectrum of talents.

[c_hawkbob]

When I said "the next Russell Wilson" I did not intend that to convey a clone or someone with as generational a set of skills, but rather a suitable replacement as a franchise QB.

[Hawktawk]

When I said "the next Russell Wilson" I did not intend that to convey a clone or someone with as generational a set of skills, but rather a suitable replacement as a franchise QB.

We don’t know he’s not on the roster. We don’t know what will be “suitable “ within the framework of what Pete and Shane have in mind for an offense . We have a left hander who kind of plays like him and 3 big tall guys with huge arms . If Pete taught us anything in 2012 he will pick the best option in his judgement .

And I agree about Russell . He was surely the most amazing short QB ever with the exception of Brees and they didn’t play the same game . Russ excelled early in his rookie year and temporarily dispelled the myth a short mobile Qb can’t be a star . Then manziel and mayfield and Murray got drafted to be the next Wilson …..This years rookies all sucked minus Mac Jones it’s easy to forget how remarkable a piece of the Seahawks success the microwave transition to the pro game Russ was .
I trust that the same coach who picked , developed and trusted Russ can coach up the next guy. There’s more than one way to skin a cat .

[obiken]

And it’s not a damn rebuild . It’s a reload . We got rid of 2 key stars both of whom were slipping one who had checked out and wanted out and got out . He won 6 games .

Rebuild connitates struggling for a few years trying to put it together. Pete and John plan to win right now with the guys in camp and they will . It will be addition by subtraction. The team is stacked in many ways .

The Future bet over under on Dallas is 10.5 wins, the o/u on the Hawks is 6.5 wins. IF you bet the over on either one of those I think you are a sucker. I am and not pessimistic about this season or optimistic, I just dont see the guys in Vegas having any faith in GS, or DL at QB, period. It is a rebuild, they ONLY reason I think they kept Metcalf is so people would not know that its a rebuild.

[obiken]

And it’s not a damn rebuild . It’s a reload . We got rid of 2 key stars both of whom were slipping one who had checked out and wanted out and got out . He won 6 games .

Rebuild connitates struggling for a few years trying to put it together. Pete and John plan to win right now with the guys in camp and they will . It will be addition by subtraction. The team is stacked in many ways .

The Future Bet over/under on Dallas is 10.5 wins, the o/u on the Hawks is 6.5 wins. IF you bet the over on either one of those I think you are a sucker. I am not pessimistic about this season or optimistic, I just dont see the guys in Vegas having any faith in GS, or DL at QB, period. It is a rebuild, they ONLY reason I think they kept Metcalf is so people would not know that its a rebuild. Like River, I will wait till the schedule comes out to predict. BTW, the O/U on the Broncos is 10.5 games, take the OVER!

[c_hawkbob]

6.5 is about right. We lost our franchise QB and are in rebuild (I don't care what other things anyone would like to call it: reload, refresh, yada yada yada ... it's rebuild) mode. we may well do better, but in Pete's first year of rebuild the first time around we only barely beat 6.5. I wouldn't mind going through this now if he weren't 70 years old.

[Aseahawkfan]

I agree with everything except with your playoff prediction. I agree that it's more likely than not that we'll miss them again as like you, I'm not that confident in our quarterbacking, but the only certainties in life are death and taxes.

14 out of the 32 NFL teams qualify for the playoffs. There have been some pretty mediocre teams that have made the playoffs over the years. Last season, the Dolphins lost 7 straight games and damn near made them, and by mid December, just 3 teams had been mathematically eliminated. Pete's very first Seahawk team qualified with a losing record. It's not a very high bar to clear and is why I think that it's foolish to measure a team's performance based on playoff appearances.

It's up to 14 teams in the playoffs now? I must have missed that memo.

All I'm basically saying is we won't be a real contender next year. All this yapping by Hawktawk with this contention crap is just BS. Lock and Smith aren't the answer at QB. This team will need some of these players to come out of the gate strong for this team to do well enough to make playoffs when we didn't last year in a division where 3 of the teams in it made the playoffs and all those teams have far fewer question marks than us.

[Hawktawk]

If it’s a rebuild it’s surely a year late 12-4 record be damned . Should have done it a year ago after hit too much wwwaAA. Could have had 3 first round picks and Kalil Mack.but old HT don’t know anything about then or now .


I think we lost a malcontent Qb who was a team cancer in the end and had few friends left in that locker room .
We lost a linebacker who was a tremendous leader who had lost his range and explosion . Everyone but the guy who couldn’t cover the mike real estate and a qB who won 6 games for the year , 4 in the last 6 weeks and bailed out pointing fingers returned for a dog meat rebuilding team .

Every other significant player re signed other then Reid . I can absolutely not wait for this season . Pete and John ain’t losing this ten year debate . We will win more than Denver . Book it .