Battle in Seattle for QB1

[Old but Slow]

This could be off base, but it seems to me that the ownership may be running the team by committee. It has been my experience that the surest way to fail to solve a problem is to form a committee. It is far to easy to fall into compromise on most questions, which usually changes little or initiates another committee to study the methods of the first committee.

I don't know if that is the case, but just to be safe I'll ask a few of my friends what they think and we will figure this out.

[RiverDog]

This could be off base, but it seems to me that the ownership may be running the team by committee. It has been my experience that the surest way to fail to solve a problem is to form a committee. It is far to easy to fall into compromise on most questions, which usually changes little or initiates another committee to study the methods of the first committee.

I don't know if that is the case, but just to be safe I'll ask a few of my friends what they think and we will figure this out.

You're not off base at all. I share your thoughts, and I agree with your description of committees.

If we had a singular, authoritarian owner as Paul Allen was, Pete might not have a job. If a committee has a disagreement or can't come to a firm conclusion, their default is to maintain the status quo. Only when they have a strong consensus do they move forward with a change.

[Hawktawk]

Jodi Allen was completely on board with the Wilson trade . Her post trade comments “ we want people who are all in “ were the harshest of anyone . I think she’s pissed. Kept Pete by a thread.you all severely underestimate her intestinal fortitude . Ask Terry Stotts trailblazers coach fired after a first round playoff exit but a year after taking the nuggets 7 games in the western finals. One of the myths about Seattle is that it’s a headless monster with Jodi and the full weight of Vulcan behind her : it’s just more disrespect and under estimation.

[NorthHawk]

From what I've read, she is a basketball fan, so she understands the game better than she does football in which it's been said she didn't know much about.
Therefor it's easier for her to make decisions on a team she knows something about.
So the idea of a committee running the Seahawks and Jody being the head of it isn't outside the realm of possibilities or probabilities.

[Hawktawk]

From what I've read, she is a basketball fan, so she understands the game better than she does football in which it's been said she didn't know much about.
Therefor it's easier for her to make decisions on a team she knows something about.
So the idea of a committee running the Seahawks and Jody being the head of it isn't outside the realm of possibilities or probabilities.

She meets regularly with John according to Pete and imo she has him ahead of Pete regardless of the contractual arrangement . As far as “ knowing football “ you know it’s not rocket science . She’s attended home games for years. It’s pass, run tackle block . Get the best players and coaches and let it rip . Stay out of day to day operations but get involved in big decisions .
Her seven words “ we want people who are all in “ tells me she’s engaged , in charge and not a big Wilson fan after paying him hundreds of millions of dollars .
And if Pete does not win THIS YEAR he’s gone . My prediction, my gut instinct but I think 8 playoff teams and a Lombardi in 9 years saved Pete by the skin of his teeth . Calculating the impact of the disruption by Russ last couple years may have factored in . I have no idea . But the Pete haters will get their wish if this is truly a rebuild 4 win or something . Why give that to a 72 year old guy . He’s authorized for a1 year reload . That’s all.

[RiverDog]

I just read something that Pete said back last spring that serves as a good reminder NOT to trust what comes out of his mouth:

Seahawks coach Pete Carroll thinks Drew Lock is better than any quarterback who was selected in the 2022 NFL draft.

Carroll said on Sports Radio KJR that Lock — who went to the Broncos with the 42nd pick in the 2019 draft — would have been chosen ahead of first-round pick Kenny Pickett or any other quarterback in the 2022 draft.

“I think he’d have been the first guy picked, of quarterbacks anyway. He’d have been the first guy in this draft. I don’t have any hesitation saying that,” Carroll said.

But he can't beat out Geno Smith.

There's only two possible conclusions that one can draw from this statement:

1. Pete's talent evaluation is way, way off.

2. Pete is full of more chit than a Christmas turkey.

Or maybe a little of both?

[trents]

I don't take too seriously anything coaches or players say in response to media interrogation. There are just too many mind fields that have to be negotiated in order to keep from dissing anyone, much less to give the press any fodder to create some overblown headline.

[RiverDog]

I don't take too seriously anything coaches or players say in response to media interrogation. There are just too many mind fields that have to be negotiated in order to keep from dissing anyone, much less to give the press any fodder to create some overblown headline.

Yeah, well it's one thing to avoid dissing someone, but for Pete to say that he had "no hesitation" in claiming that Lock would have been the first QB off the board in this year's draft is a little more than just avoiding a mine field. It's really heaping on the BS.

I'm also not sure that the word "interrogation" is fitting for the type of voluntary interview that Pete submitted to. It was during a one-on-one conversation on KJR radio when he made the statement. It's not like he had a couple dozen jackals nipping at his heals in a post-game press conference.

I just thought that it was rather humorous, how over the top this comment seems, especially in retrospect after having witnessed our quarterback 'competition.'

[obiken]

Pete Carroll is a good not great, NFL coach, and he was always full of BS. He is the NFL version of a used car salesman. That's why Pete would have stayed in College if it was not for Reggie Bush.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't take too seriously anything coaches or players say in response to media interrogation. There are just too many mind fields that have to be negotiated in order to keep from dissing anyone, much less to give the press any fodder to create some overblown headline.

I don't either. I barely listen to them. Mostly meaningless talk to give the reporters something to do. I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL didn't force media time if the majority of the players and coaches would avoid it.

[Hawktawk]

Pete Carroll is a good not great, NFL coach, and he was always full of BS. He is the NFL version of a used car salesman. That's why Pete would have stayed in College if it was not for Reggie Bush.

Sad Obi. Really is . Maybe Seattle really doesn’t know what a winner is . Damn sad .

[Hawktawk]

quote="RiverDog"

Yeah, well it's one thing to avoid dissing someone, but for Pete to say that he had "no hesitation" in claiming that Lock would have been the first QB off the board in this year's draft is a little more than just avoiding a mine field. It's really heaping on the BS.

I'm also not sure that the word "interrogation" is fitting for the type of voluntary interview that Pete submitted to. It was during a one-on-one conversation on KJR radio when he made the statement. It's not like he had a couple dozen jackals nipping at his heals in a post-game press conference.

I just thought that it was rather humorous, how over the top this comment seems, especially in retrospect after having witnessed our quarterback 'competition.'[/quote]
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Yeah Pete saying Lock would have been furst off the board this year is hyperbolic . But it was considered a very weak class . Lock has measurables comparable to anyone this year. Baby Josh Allen. Still digging around for some salesman upbeat positive things to attack I see .

We saw the competition . Lock got sick . Geno made almost no mistakes reading the field and throwing the ball , tripped once , batted ball , bad sack . PFF #5 preseason after second game “ decisive and accurate “ since he was 7-7 on target his last game he’s probably still among top individual rankings among those who don’t punish 7 drops and a step out of bounds.

Maybe Geno is a starting caliber qb and Drew isn’t YET. Maybe he will be maybe he won’t .
But I’ll take it one more step . The same guys blasting Pete for pumping a guy who couldn’t beat out a solid nfl starter caliber player think it was unfair , Drew should have got this and that to have a chance .
You preferred him over Geno the worst ever qb to take the field. But he sucks .
Gotcha
I think he’s on the bench right now because Geno is far better then you will ever give him or I credit him being
GO PETE! GO GENO! GO HAWKS! We will know more next Monday .

[NorthHawk]

Even Pete doesn't think Geno is FAR better.
Just listen to what he said when he named Geno the starter (the competition goes on, Geno will start the season).
That's hardly a statement of confidence that the better QB is starting, rather it's a statement that he doesn't like his options and that Geno is the default choice, not the winner.

[tarlhawk]

Growing up in Pennsylvania I had plenty of opportunities to see Pittsburgh Steeler games even though I was a Miami Dolphin fanatic. I remember hearing a tv color commentator answering a question why Terry Bradshaw continued to be a backup to the starter Terry Hanratty...he's too stupid to play QB in the NFL was the commentators snarky response. Pete and John Schneider have overstated many times that the QB position is one of the most difficult positions to learn...for every RW who makes it look easy...there's plenty of RGIII flame outs whether injured or mentally scarred when their confident world is set ablaze by adversity. Drew Lock is a very sharp QB who has constantly been exposed to changes in Offensive Coordinators both in College and the NFL.

Film study has enabled many defensive coaches to "trick"/"bait" QB into throws they wish they could have back. RW had many stellar games and a few awful games but his mental toughness and resiliency is what pushes him into the upper listings of NFL QB. Drew has a few dragons to slay if he is ever going to put his talents on full display. Its only an opinion but I wouldn't be writing Drew Lock off yet...our very talented supporting play makers are a QB dream and will elevate Geno Smith in the meantime. Geno has acquired the many subtle nuances of QB play and has shown some toughness enduring numerous drops. Some of you treat Geno as if he was some other teams backup...offensive rules have been "tweaked" in the last decade to enable whoever is QB for any given team to have a good chance to play well. My confidence that Geno will "get it done" is because our Seahawk team has many weapons and an improving O-Line...put Geno back on the Jets and I would become uninspired even though his interception propensity has plummeted...its at a cost of having a mediocre intended yards stat liability...he can throw the deep ball and cross the field to opposite hash line throws but his comfort zone is seven yards on average which if he continues to limit his mistakes will still win some ball games just getting it into the hands of our "weapons".

Any QB thrust into the role as a "rookie" will make mistakes...some of which he won't recover depending on mental toughness and sometimes the patience of the Head Coach. Pete likened Drew Lock as being an equivalent "first QB chosen" because his College resume has the talent an NFL coach is eager to acquire. Many first round QBs flounder because they are thrust into a starting role to "justify" the draft capital spent...lower round QB are often given lowered expectations and given time to hone their craft unlike their early round brethren. Pete will start Drew when he feels Drew is ready to excel and not "sputter"...Geno affords Pete to not be "forced" against his better judgement.

[Hawktawk]

Even Pete doesn't think Geno is FAR better.
Just listen to what he said when he named Geno the starter (the competition goes on, Geno will start the season).
That's hardly a statement of confidence that the better QB is starting, rather it's a statement that he doesn't like his options and that Geno is the default choice, not the winner.

Again you make mine and Pete’s point . If Drew is close to a guy that had a 5-1 TD pick ratio and a 102 qbr last year maybe he is pretty good himself . As for Geno a win is a win . Nobody expected more than he got . After 8 years his first week one start . He knows he’s got to perform . He will have a shorter leash then a midget walking a chihuahua . It’s up to him .

[NorthHawk]

What it means is Pete isn't happy about the QB situation.
Neither of them are good enough to play at the NFL level. Maybe, and I repeat Maybe Lock can but he's not yet shown he can with the opportunities he's been given.
That's the bottom line.

[RiverDog]

Growing up in Pennsylvania I had plenty of opportunities to see Pittsburgh Steeler games even though I was a Miami Dolphin fanatic. I remember hearing a tv color commentator answering a question why Terry Bradshaw continued to be a backup to the starter Terry Hanratty...he's too stupid to play QB in the NFL was the commentators snarky response. Pete and John Schneider have overstated many times that the QB position is one of the most difficult positions to learn...for every RW who makes it look easy...there's plenty of RGIII flame outs whether injured or mentally scarred when their confident world is set ablaze by adversity. Drew Lock is a very sharp QB who has constantly been exposed to changes in Offensive Coordinators both in College and the NFL.

I, too, was a Dolphins fan in the early 70's when Bradshaw was breaking in with the Steelers. I clearly remember those times. Man, was that guy dense! There's a reason why he's never done play-by-play or a color commentator on TV broadcasts. He's too stupid and slow to ad lib and is limited to stuff he can rehearse. If one ever needs a person to represent two toothless hillbillies from the south, you could use Goober Bradshaw and Bret Favre to fill the roles.

Its only an opinion but I wouldn't be writing Drew Lock off yet.

Not that he doesn't have the ability, but this is likely the last chance for Drew Lock to be a starter in the NFL. Opportunities like the one he has now are very few and far between, and he's lucky to have a second chance after doing a face plant in Denver. Around half the teams have the position locked up and the other half, if they're going to open up the job, will opt for a rookie or 2nd year player. There's only X number of snaps for a QB to prove themselves.

[trents]

Lock is, to me, obviously more talented than Smith. He has a better arm and better wheels. I think it is possible he can develop into a top flight NFL QB with the right coaching and the right talent around him. His biggest obstacle to that is not physical talent but the mental aspect of the game. And I don't mean intelligence, I mean puging the ghosts of the past and learning to make better decisions as well as seeing the field better.

By the way, I disagree that Terry Bradshaw is stupid. That is an ignorant comment in and of itself. You don't have the success he had while being stupid. And the cognitive deficits you now see are due to CTE. That is a well-know fact that Terry himself acknowledges.

[c_hawkbob]

Stupid people are successful (by one measure or another) all the time. Intelligence is not the secret to success. Luck, more than any other single factor, may just be though.

[RiverDog]

By the way, I disagree that Terry Bradshaw is stupid. That is an ignorant comment in and of itself. You don't have the success he had while being stupid. And the cognitive deficits you now see are due to CTE. That is a well-know fact that Terry himself acknowledges.

Stupid people are successful (by one measure or another) all the time. Intelligence is not the secret to success. Luck, more than any other single factor, may just be though.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Although intelligence greatly increases your odds of success, it is by no means required, indeed, it may not even be in the top 2 or 3 factors in success, with luck and heart/will/desire ranking above it.

And whether I'm ignorant or not, Bradshaw is stupid, as is Bret Favre. Sorry, that's just my opinion.

[trents]

Stupid people are successful (by one measure or another) all the time. Intelligence is not the secret to success. Luck, more than any other single factor, may just be though.

Terry Bradshaw was not successful as a pro QB because of luck. Luck wins a game here and there but not multiple SB rings. And regardless of how good the supporting cast is, we all know that without a top flight QB, total team talent doesn't win multiple super bowls.

I do not accept the premise that both Bradshaw and Farve were stupid. Why do you say that? Have you seen there IQ tests? No QB at the college or pro level is going to be stupid. They could not begin to retain the dozens and hundreds of playbook formations if they were. Not sure how you are defining stupid. Does it mean to you that someone speaks with a southern accent?

[RiverDog]

I do not accept the premise that both Bradshaw and Farve were stupid. Why do you say that? Have you seen there IQ tests? No QB at the college or pro level is going to be stupid. They could not begin to retain the dozens and hundreds of playbook formations if they were. Not sure how you are defining stupid. Does it mean to you that someone speaks with a southern accent?

Bradshaw scored a 16 on his Wonderlic, well below average for an NFL QB. That's not the ultimate measure of intelligence, but it does support my contention.

Steelers HC Mike Tomlin also hinted at Bradshaw's lack of intelligence when, in response to a criticism Bradshaw made of him, responded “What do I know? I grew up a Dallas fan. Particularly a Hollywood Henderson fan,” a thinly veiled insult based on a quote made a long time ago by Henderson:

Thomas “Hollywood” Henderson was a Cowboys linebacker who famously insulted Bradshaw before the teams met in the 1978 Super Bowl, saying that Bradshaw “is so dumb, he couldn’t spell ‘cat’ if you spotted him a C and an A.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... reference/

So I'm not alone in my assessment.

[c_hawkbob]

Think what you want trents, I disagree. Bradshaw and Favre both were more successful due to talent, arm strength and (especially in Bradshaw's case) the team around them than by anything between their earholes.

[RiverDog]

Think what you want trents, I disagree. Bradshaw and Favre both were more successful due to talent, arm strength and (especially in Bradshaw's case) the team around them than by anything between their earholes.

I agree with Cbob. Favre, in particular, got away with a lot of very poor decisions simply due to his arm strength. IMO his lack of intelligence was actually a plus as it contributed to his gunslinger mentality. A smarter, headier quarterback, even one with an elephant gun arm like Elway, wouldn't have dared throw into the tight windows that Favre did, and more times than not, he got away with it.

[Aseahawkfan]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Although intelligence greatly increases your odds of success, it is by no means required, indeed, it may not even be in the top 2 or 3 factors in success, with luck and heart/will/desire ranking above it.

And whether I'm ignorant or not, Bradshaw is stupid, as is Bret Favre. Sorry, that's just my opinion.

I would say persistence, passion, and self-discipline are the most important factors for success. Luck plays a part, but luck can do nothing for someone who has not already put themselves in position to succeed unless you're buying lotto tickets. Most of the successful people I've read on have persistently pursued their passion in a very self-disciplined manner. I would say luck is a factor in the level of success like say the difference between being local millionaire and being Bill Gates or a character actor like a Roddy McDowell and being Tom Cruise. And intelligence is only a factor if it is required in the endeavor you're undertaking. Though like you stated, intelligence in the modern world often correlates to being more successful due to the complexity of the modern world.

As far as Lock goes, he has better tools than Geno. From what I've read from Denver fans, he doesn't have the focus and self-discipline to step up to the next level like say a Russ who takes everything about being a QB seriously from daily training of his footwork to constant film study where even while on vacation he is studying the offense and watching film and doing his daily drills. They made it sound like Lock is known for water skiing and doing things other than football in his off time. At the NFL level if you're not all in at being a great NFL QB, you likely aren't going to make it as much more than a back up with good tools and a middling focus on football.

[Aseahawkfan]

Terry Bradshaw was not successful as a pro QB because of luck. Luck wins a game here and there but not multiple SB rings. And regardless of how good the supporting cast is, we all know that without a top flight QB, total team talent doesn't win multiple super bowls.

I do not accept the premise that both Bradshaw and Farve were stupid. Why do you say that? Have you seen there IQ tests? No QB at the college or pro level is going to be stupid. They could not begin to retain the dozens and hundreds of playbook formations if they were. Not sure how you are defining stupid. Does it mean to you that someone speaks with a southern accent?

I don't think Bradshaw won by intelligence. He had some clutch in him for sure and some football instincts.

Bradshaw played in a different time where QBs needed some dumb in them to withstand the beating. Teams were driven by strong run games with a QB that needed to do enough to win and have some clutch in them. And they needed a QB who could get up again and again as the opposing team was always trying to kill them. That 70s and even into the 80s football was just brutal to watch as the QB who got the ball down after down after down took a beating. They came after the QB like gangbusters and tried to hurt him. I bring it up all the time, but I'll never forget watching two Steelers pick up Roger Staubach and swing him like a jump rope trying to get the ball loose. The ref let them do it for a few seconds before they whistled it dead and no penalty. They just dropped Staubach on the ground and went back to the defensive huddle. He held on to that ball for dear life.

And Bradshaw had the Steel Curtain, one of the greatest defenses in NFL history. They were no joke back in the 70s. Mean as hell and just brutal.

Then toss in that crazy play by Lynn Swann? What do they call that Steeler play? The Immaculate Reception.

Bradshaw had a whole lot of tough, quite a bit of clutch, and definitely some luck. If he would have had too much intelligence, he probably wouldn't even have been playing football back then. Haha.

[RiverDog]

Terry Bradshaw was not successful as a pro QB because of luck. Luck wins a game here and there but not multiple SB rings. And regardless of how good the supporting cast is, we all know that without a top flight QB, total team talent doesn't win multiple super bowls.

I do not accept the premise that both Bradshaw and Farve were stupid. Why do you say that? Have you seen there IQ tests? No QB at the college or pro level is going to be stupid. They could not begin to retain the dozens and hundreds of playbook formations if they were. Not sure how you are defining stupid. Does it mean to you that someone speaks with a southern accent?

I don't think Bradshaw won by intelligence. He had some clutch in him for sure and some football instincts.

Bradshaw played in a different time where QBs needed some dumb in them to withstand the beating. Teams were driven by strong run games with a QB that needed to do enough to win and have some clutch in them. And they needed a QB who could get up again and again as the opposing team was always trying to kill them. That 70s and even into the 80s football was just brutal to watch as the QB who got the ball down after down after down took a beating. They came after the QB like gangbusters and tried to hurt him. I bring it up all the time, but I'll never forget watching two Steelers pick up Roger Staubach and swing him like a jump rope trying to get the ball loose. The ref let them do it for a few seconds before they whistled it dead and no penalty. They just dropped Staubach on the ground and went back to the defensive huddle. He held on to that ball for dear life.

And Bradshaw had the Steel Curtain, one of the greatest defenses in NFL history. They were no joke back in the 70s. Mean as hell and just brutal.

Then toss in that crazy play by Lynn Swann? What do they call that Steeler play? The Immaculate Reception.

Bradshaw had a whole lot of tough, quite a bit of clutch, and definitely some luck. If he would have had too much intelligence, he probably wouldn't even have been playing football back then. Haha.

The Immaculate Reception was Franco Harris in the playoffs vs. the Raiders (conference championship maybe?). Lynn Swann made an acrobatic catch in the Super Bowl vs. the Cowboys.

Actually, quarterbacks used to call their own plays back in the 70's and earlier, which is likely why Bradshaw didn't start right off the bat. Tom Landry started using a shuttle system to send plays in with a substitute player, usually a guard, in the 70's. Not sure when they started signaling them in.

[Aseahawkfan]

The Immaculate Reception was Franco Harris in the playoffs vs. the Raiders (conference championship maybe?). Lynn Swann made an acrobatic catch in the Super Bowl vs. the Cowboys.

Actually, quarterbacks used to call their own plays back in the 70's and earlier, which is likely why Bradshaw didn't start right off the bat. Tom Landry started using a shuttle system to send plays in with a substitute player, usually a guard, in the 70's. Not sure when they started signaling them in.

A lot more run plays called too. I'm surprised. Bradshaw won MVP in 1978. He did have a great year for that era.

I remember Bradshaw from the Cannonball Run movie. He was hilarious. Terry had a very likeable onscreen personality. I don't know that I consider him a dumb goober like you, but definitely blue collar Southern. Then again I like Southern folk, not the racist crap, but the work ethic and life attitude. My people are from Texas. That's a different mentality than Northern folk.

[RiverDog]

The Immaculate Reception was Franco Harris in the playoffs vs. the Raiders (conference championship maybe?). Lynn Swann made an acrobatic catch in the Super Bowl vs. the Cowboys.

Actually, quarterbacks used to call their own plays back in the 70's and earlier, which is likely why Bradshaw didn't start right off the bat. Tom Landry started using a shuttle system to send plays in with a substitute player, usually a guard, in the 70's. Not sure when they started signaling them in.

A lot more run plays called too. I'm surprised. Bradshaw won MVP in 1978. He did have a great year for that era.

I remember Bradshaw from the Cannonball Run movie. He was hilarious. Terry had a very likeable onscreen personality. I don't know that I consider him a dumb goober like you, but definitely blue collar Southern. Then again I like Southern folk, not the racist crap, but the work ethic and life attitude. My people are from Texas. That's a different mentality than Northern folk.

The interviews and opinions he's given seem very simplistic, doesn't seem very quick on his feet. But playing off your comment about southerners, I'll admit that part of my opinion of him is affected somewhat by a regional bias, the Goober Pyle with a greasy rag in is pocket, old white guys from the south impression he leaves. But the main reason is his play the first few years with the Steelers. He had some real bone head plays. And yea, he is dumb. If a person can't score more than a 16 on the Wonderlic (I think he scored 16 then a 17 on a retake), that's pretty moronish.

[Aseahawkfan]

The interviews and opinions he's given seem very simplistic, doesn't seem very quick on his feet. But playing off your comment about southerners, I'll admit that part of my opinion of him is affected somewhat by a regional bias, the Goober Pyle with a greasy rag in is pocket, old white guys from the south impression he leaves. But the main reason is his play the first few years with the Steelers. He had some real bone head plays. And yea, he is dumb. If a person can't score more than a 16 on the Wonderlic (I think he scored 16 then a 17 on a retake), that's pretty moronish.

That's funny. RD got a bias against Southerners.

[RiverDog]

The interviews and opinions he's given seem very simplistic, doesn't seem very quick on his feet. But playing off your comment about southerners, I'll admit that part of my opinion of him is affected somewhat by a regional bias, the Goober Pyle with a greasy rag in is pocket, old white guys from the south impression he leaves. But the main reason is his play the first few years with the Steelers. He had some real bone head plays. And yea, he is dumb. If a person can't score more than a 16 on the Wonderlic (I think he scored 16 then a 17 on a retake), that's pretty moronish.

That's funny. RD got a bias against Southerners.

Yeah, it's one of those learned things from watching sitcoms in the 60's, 70's, and 80's, ie Beverly Hillbillies, Andy Griffith, Gomer Pyle, Carter Country, Dukes of Hazard, etc, plus I've had some real-life experiences that reinforced it. I've long since recognized and dealt with it, but I still can't shake that image out of my head in some cases, and Bradshaw in particular. I didn't discover that I had an accent bias until the early 90's when I was best friends with a guy from Romania that had a heavy eastern European accent and is one of the smartest men I know. He told me that having an accent made him sound dumb, and he was right.

[NorthHawk]

Not only that but he’s giving away $100,000 of his own money!

[RiverDog]

Not only that but he’s giving away $100,000 of his own money!

ObS, that one was worth 12 laughing heads.

[Old but Slow]

Amen.

[Hawktawk]

Lock is, to me, obviously more talented than Smith. He has a better arm and better wheels. I think it is possible he can develop into a top flight NFL QB with the right coaching and the right talent around him. His biggest obstacle to that is not physical talent but the mental aspect of the game. And I don't mean intelligence, I mean puging the ghosts of the past and learning to make better decisions as well as seeing the field better.

By the way, I disagree that Terry Bradshaw is stupid. That is an ignorant comment in and of itself. You don't have the success he had while being stupid. And the cognitive deficits you now see are due to CTE. That is a well-know fact that Terry himself acknowledges.

Agreed on Bradshaw . Love the guy . I saw him be picked up and pile driven into the ground head first and flop around like he was dead . Amazing he and a lot of these guys can function at all .

Geno far less “ talented “ then Drew ? Physically ? Less arm ? Not by much . Geno has a powerful and recently quite accurate arm. He had has wheels too . He’s not going to spin out and run a scramble drill but he had 23 yards on 3 carries vs the rams in a quarter after Russ had 2 for 10 in 3 quarters . 2 rushing TDs in 17 quarters . He’s no statue . As a rookie he led the NFL in GWD and played a 3 touchdown 374 yard perfect 158:3 rating game in Miami as a rookie . His last NFL regular season start he completed 80% of his passes and accounted for 3 TDs, 138 qbr.
So what is “talent “ Geno is a damn talented athlete . Has Drew ever produced numbers like that pro?
I think you mean potential . There I may agree .
But there was this guy Gannon . Hostetler .
Keep hope alive .

[Hawktawk]

"Hawktawk"]A lot of the same people who make these prognostications write stuff that shows they don’t even know what they are talking about ,haven’t studied film . Lazy herd mentality . Like saying Genos arm isn’t strong , all kinds of stuff about Geno and Russ and whatever that is not correct . And predicting Geno as the 36 starter . The line as the worst when it’s already better then last year . I’ve watched tons of film which shapes my perception of lots of things. They can take their 5.5 disrespectful anti hawk bias and shove it . They are way off on both Seattle and Denver . Gonna be humorous . Tune in on the 12th .[/quote]

" RD Sure, there are some lazy sports writers that just rely on each other and don't do their homework. But not many of them work for organizations like ESPN and NFL Network. They do it for a living and are every bit as dedicated to their work and have as much pride in it as you do at maintaining your golf course. They aren't slouches.

Here's just one example of a very reputable sportswriter, Doug Farrar, who now writes for USA Today and has also written for the Washington Post, the Seattle Times, Football Outsiders, and Yahoo Sports, certainly a more extensive resume than those of us that post in the HawkShack, and what he has to say about our team:

Generally speaking, the same people responsible for a team’s rebuild aren’t allowed to be the architects of that rebuild. But Seahawks general manager John Schneider and head coach Pete Carroll earned enough equity in the first half of the previous decade to put themselves in position to do just that. Trading Russell Wilson for a whole bunch of draft capital was a questionable move, especially considering how badly this team had drafted over the second half of the previous decade.

At least the Seahawks seemed to break that trend with a very solid draft in which they tagged undervalued assets instead of overvalued prospects. Offensive tackles Charles Cross and Abraham Lucas, running back Kenneth Walker III, edge-rusher Boye Mafe, and cornerbacks Coby Bryant and Tariq Woolen all look to have a lot of potential. And there are a few studs on the current roster, led perhaps by safety Quandre Diggs, one of the NFL’s best.

But of course, where the discussion starts and ends with the 2022 Seahawks is what life will look like without Russell Wilson for the first time since 2011. Wilson covered up a host of offensive sins through his tenure in the Emerald City, and with Geno Smith and Drew Lock battling it out for the starting job, wethinks we’re about to find out just how much that was the case. The 2022 Seahawks are playing, to a large degree, for the 2023 draft.

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Farrar has us ranked 28th, ahead of the Falcons, Bears, Jags, and Panthers. He has the Broncos ranked 4th, behind only the Bills, Rams, and Packers. If that prediction comes true, it will likely be due to a stellar, MVP worthy performance by Russell Wilson.

So as you can see, Obi's prediction that Russell would win the MVP, unlike your 10+ win forecast for the Hawks season, is not some outlier opinion. It's supported by experts in the field that make their livings off of analyzing information of the type that we have been debating.[/quote]
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[obiken]

Agreed on Bradshaw . Love the guy . I saw him be picked up and pile driven into the ground head first and flop around like he was dead . Amazing he and a lot of these guys can function at all .

Geno far less “ talented “ then Drew ? Physically ? Less arm ? Not by much . Geno has a powerful and recently quite accurate arm. He had has wheels too . He’s not going to spin out and run a scramble drill but he had 23 yards on 3 carries vs the rams in a quarter after Russ had 2 for 10 in 3 quarters . 2 rushing TDs in 17 quarters . He’s no statue . As a rookie he led the NFL in GWD and played a 3 touchdown 374 yard perfect 158:3 rating game in Miami as a rookie . His last NFL regular season start he completed 80% of his passes and accounted for 3 TDs, 138 qbr.
So what is “talent “ Geno is a damn talented athlete . Has Drew ever produced numbers like that pro?
I think you mean potential . There I may agree .
But there was this guy Gannon . Hostetler .
Keep hope alive .

Lock is a waste, he is a backup that might win you 2 games outta 5 if your starter goes down, thats how we got him as a packaged deal.

[RiverDog]

Lock is a waste, he is a backup that might win you 2 games outta 5 if your starter goes down, thats how we got him as a packaged deal.

Drew Lock is likely at the end of his career as a starter. There are only 32 starting quarterback positions in the NFL, over half of which are already spoken for, and he's had two golden opportunities to be the starter with two different teams and couldn't win the job. The problem for him now is that he'll be competing with rookies that haven't had ANY chance, and teams are more likely to give the limited playing time, now down to just 3 preseason games, to one of them that they don't have a book on than they are a veteran that has failed on two separate occasions.

He's a free agent, and with the likelihood of Geno coming back and us drafting a quarterback, I'd be surprised if we signed him unless everyone else passed on him.

[Hawktawk]

That’s the 64k actually 30 mil question .
I think Drew may be insurance if Geno doesn’t return . He’s started in the league with 20 something starts . Seattle actually insisted on him in the trade along with Fant which is why we gave back a 4th .

Pete talks up Drew constantly . I will not discount what Pete says about qb play at this point . We know they were high on Mahomes and Allen to the point of angering Russell’s camp and this sounds like it may be that type of class so who knows .

I don’t see them taking a qb at 5 then keeping both Geno and Lock . If they take a guy you let Geno walk and hope Drew can hold down the fort till the rook figures it out . Save the 30 mil for line help and front 7.


Not saying it’s right . But keeping 3 guys makes no sense . Brock Huard said Friday Geno is considered the second ranked FO target . Not sure his source but it’s what he said . He’s going to really have to want to stay I think or he will hit JS “ drop dead #”

[RiverDog]

That’s the 64k actually 30 mil question .
I think Drew may be insurance if Geno doesn’t return . He’s started in the league with 20 something starts . Seattle actually insisted on him in the trade along with Fant which is why we gave back a 4th .

Pete talks up Drew constantly . I will not discount what Pete says about qb play at this point . We know they were high on Mahomes and Allen to the point of angering Russell’s camp and this sounds like it may be that type of class so who knows .

I don’t see them taking a qb at 5 then keeping both Geno and Lock . If they take a guy you let Geno walk and hope Drew can hold down the fort till the rook figures it out . Save the 30 mil for line help and front 7.


Not saying it’s right . But keeping 3 guys makes no sense . Brock Huard said Friday Geno is considered the second ranked FO target . Not sure his source but it’s what he said . He’s going to really have to want to stay I think or he will hit JS “ drop dead #”

Pete talks up everybody. He's full of more chit than a Christmas turkey. You have to take what he says in public about his players with a grain of salt.

I'll contest what Huard said. Tom Brady, Daniel Jones, and Lamar Jackson are all free agents and would be ranked ahead of Geno. Jones and Jackson might end up signing with their teams, but at this point, they aren't under contract. Mayfield, Heinicke, and Brissett are free agents, too. I'm not saying that those guys are better than Geno, but they are all former starters that are younger and they will drive down the market. Plus, Aaron Rodgers is likely going to be traded.