Watson/QB's

[NorthHawk]

Still does not say who he drafted or what he did. You are just taking a period in time, ignoring that we did not build this team solely through the draft, and assuming McGloughan is somehow the reason.

I'm not going to keep posting how this team was built given any Seattle fan should know.

McGloughan did not build the Super Bowl team. That is just BS.

In your mind somehow McGloughan found everyone of our good players in the draft, convinced Carroll and Schneider to draft them, and built the team while Pete and John buffooned around going, "McGloughan, what would do with out you?" That just such a ridiculous idea I see getting posted over and over again. The idea that one guy in the organization has that much power to get players drafted and scouts them all and just knows better than everyone else like that's how NFL scouting and drafting works.

Just look at the results. Some people just have a good eye for talent that fits and can have a huge influence on who to select. That's the reality of the draft and how it works.
When McGloughan was here as Senior Personnel Executive we selected 8 players that were named to the Pro Bowl or All Pro.
Since he left we've selected 4 players to do that of which 1 is a punter. Brooks and Taylor might add to that list, but still
8 in 2 years vs 4 in 7 drafts.

[mykc14]

Holy bad contract!! Have you guys seen the numbers on Watson's contract? All $230 million guaranteed?? His cap hits are 10 mil, 54 mil, 54 mil, 54 mil 54 mil. There really isn't any wiggle room to get that number down either. That is crazy and stupid. I am so glad that we didn't make this trade. They have a small window this year with his 10 million cap hit, but he is going to be taking up almost 25% of the cap for the next 4 years. Crazy.

[c_hawkbob]

His actual first year salary is only $1.4M to minimize the effect of any league sanctions against him for his sexual assault cases. Cleveland really sold their souls for this one. Hope it bites 'em in the arse hard.

[Aseahawkfan]

Still does not say who he drafted or what he did. You are just taking a period in time, ignoring that we did not build this team solely through the draft, and assuming McGloughan is somehow the reason.

I'm not going to keep posting how this team was built given any Seattle fan should know.

McGloughan did not build the Super Bowl team. That is just BS.

In your mind somehow McGloughan found everyone of our good players in the draft, convinced Carroll and Schneider to draft them, and built the team while Pete and John buffooned around going, "McGloughan, what would do with out you?" That just such a ridiculous idea I see getting posted over and over again. The idea that one guy in the organization has that much power to get players drafted and scouts them all and just knows better than everyone else like that's how NFL scouting and drafting works.

Just look at the results. Some people just have a good eye for talent that fits and can have a huge influence on who to select. That's the reality of the draft and how it works.
When McGloughan was here as Senior Personnel Executive we selected 8 players that were named to the Pro Bowl or All Pro.
Since he left we've selected 4 players to do that of which 1 is a punter. Brooks and Taylor might add to that list, but still
8 in 2 years vs 4 in 7 drafts.

You're full of crap. One guy did not have a hand in drafting all those players, so stop painting a false picture of how drafting works. He also could not get Pete and John to agree to draft them.

I look at the results and I believe Pete and John are mostly responsible. This myth of McGloughan is just that a myth bought into by a small segment of Seattle fans who don't know how drafting works and don't remember how this team was built such as forgetting that Michael Bennett and Cliff Avril were brought in during free agency. Or that scheme is how we took advantage of overlooked large CBs and safeties like Sherm and Kam. Pete Carroll brought back a style of football not seen in the NFL for a while and was able to take over-sized safeties and DBs and make them shine because of how he set up the scheme.

Or that we traded for Lynch from Buffalo and Pete Carroll knew Lynch well from his days playing against him the PAC 12.

You want to forget how this team was built in and believe in the myth of McGloughan, not much I can do to change your mind.

But I know and anyone who follows this team well or remembers how this team was built know that is rubbish. No one bet on Russell Wilson except John Schneider who scouted him personally. Everyone thought Seattle were fools for drafting Russell Wilson and giving him the chance to start at his height, which is why he fell to the 3rd round. I don't think McGloughan had anything to do with Russell Wilson. It was mostly John Schneider and then Pete Carroll for believing in him.

The Super Bowl team was nothing more than a bunch of moves that included key moves other than the draft to build a magical team. Pete Carroll coached that team up to historical production including crafting a throwback defense with a historically great secondary from one first rounder, two fifth rounders, and a cast off from Canada. That had nothing to do with McGloughan. The type of DBs Carroll wanted were of his devising. They weren't even guys anyone was drafting at the time as that style of secondary wasn't in vogue in the NFL.

I credit Carroll for bringing back an old school scheme and knowing which players he could use that no one wanted to implement it. I credit Schneider for believing in an undersized QB that no one was much willing to give a chance to that John believed in and sold the head coach on. I credit Carroll for seeing what Lynch could be in Seattle and creating the environment for Lynch to thrive.

I credit Dan Quinn for his great D-line work. Brandon Mebane was drafted before McGloughan arrived. Smart to keep him seeing he was a good fit for Carroll's scheme. Maybe Dan for knowing Michael Bennett as Bennett was drafted when Quinn was here the first time. Cliff Avril was just a good free agency pick up. Dan Quinn coached up the D-line and did a great job doing it.

Maybe McGloughan had a hand in Bobby Wagner. I don't know.

This whole myth of McGloughan is just a bunch of hogwash that people who know all the little parts that had to come together to create the magic of that Seattle Seahawks football team were so many that each piece added to the greater whole to create that four years of dominance. Gonna be hard to recreate no matter what we do as those types of perfect storms don't happen very often in franchise history.

[NorthHawk]

You’re a blind fool.
He had a big hand in building a SF team that was stacked with talent then came here and we had two of the best drafts
this team ever had. After he left our run of high quality draft picks fell dramatically. And yes, one guy can and often does
have a great impact on the performance of a group of people.
There’s a reason he’s considered one of the better evaluators of talent in the NFL.

[RiverDog]

His actual first year salary is only $1.4M to minimize the effect of any league sanctions against him for his sexual assault cases. Cleveland really sold their souls for this one. Hope it bites 'em in the arse hard.

Yep. My guess is that he ends up with at least a 4 game suspension, which is what Worthlessburger got on far less serious accusations.

I feel badly for the Cleveland fans. Despite being one of the most loyal fan bases in the league, they've had their original franchise taken from them, their replacement franchise is one of just a handful of teams that have never made it to a SB.

[govandals]

I've heard other team's owners and GM's are furious at Cleveland for giving a fully guaranteed contract. Absolutely changes contract negotiations going forward for every player, especially high end QBs.

[Hawktawk]

It’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen an organization do . Give a guy a license to sexually assault with impunity . He’s 25, already begged out of Houston , likely to be suspended . Even if he isn’t a couple he says she says with rich powerful athletes is one think but this is a way of life and he can’t stop himself . It’s a disaster in the making . And what it’s going to create are a lot more situations like Seattle with Russ where it was clear to both parties he wasn’t signing another contract here . He isn’t signing one there yet either . I think it could wind up devaluing the position somewhat in the long run. Short term they have created a masuvr headache for the few franchise QB teams .

[NorthHawk]

It was described by someone in the media as the first Basketball contract in the NFL - and that sounds about right.
A few years ago we discussed QB salaries and the impact on the Cap, and if the Cap doesn't expand equally with
the increase in QB compensation, how are teams going to manage? Now that we see the Watson and Rodgers
contracts and expect others to follow, will it be addressed sooner than later? Something like a QB exemption or
partial exemption for Cap purposes or maybe make them Cap exempt? The issues will be coming to the front
pretty soon with Murray already wanting to get a new contract and I'm sure others are looking that way, too.

[RiverDog]

It was described by someone in the media as the first Basketball contract in the NFL - and that sounds about right.
A few years ago we discussed QB salaries and the impact on the Cap, and if the Cap doesn't expand equally with
the increase in QB compensation, how are teams going to manage? Now that we see the Watson and Rodgers
contracts and expect others to follow, will it be addressed sooner than later? Something like a QB exemption or
partial exemption for Cap purposes or maybe make them Cap exempt? The issues will be coming to the front
pretty soon with Murray already wanting to get a new contract and I'm sure others are looking that way, too.

I would be vehemently opposed to some type of QB exemption in the salary cap. Damn QB's are pampered enough as it is, and you'd essentially be trying to save the owners/GM's from themselves. Let teams like the Packers and Browns stew in their own broth if they make a bad deal. No one's forcing them to make those ridiculous offers. Leave things alone and the problem will self correct.

[NorthHawk]

We might end up like in Baseball where an owner would "buy" a championship, and that's probably not good for the league and the for the most part parity it has achieved.
By allowing some type of relief for one player (it might not have to be a QB come to think of it) all teams could be on the same footing or at least a similar one.

[RiverDog]

We might end up like in Baseball where an owner would "buy" a championship, and that's probably not good for the league and the for the most part parity it has achieved.
By allowing some type of relief for one player (it might not have to be a QB come to think of it) all teams could be on the same footing or at least a similar one.

I still wouldn't like it. I don't like the message it sends, that one person is worth so much to the team that we create an exceptional circumstance for their pay. It's bad enough that we create special rules on the field to protect quarterbacks under the premise that they need to protect their stars, now we're going to do the same thing for their salaries?

[NorthHawk]

like I said it doesn’t have to be a QB, so if a team found the 2nd coming of a Reggie White and had to keep
him they could use it to stock the rest of the team. Then when his contract is more manageable use it on
another player. It could help teams become more competitive.
Just a thought.

[mykc14]

like I said it doesn’t have to be a QB, so if a team found the 2nd coming of a Reggie White and had to keep
him they could use it to stock the rest of the team. Then when his contract is more manageable use it on
another player. It could help teams become more competitive.
Just a thought.

I understand the concept behind this idea, but I do agree with River- it is up to the team to manage the cap with big money going to QB's. At the end of the day teams may need to rethink how they allocate their funds to stay competitive and it may balance itself out. If Belichik/PC/JS can somehow get a team back to the SB after getting rid of their franchise QB it may end up lowering the perceived market value for the QB position. It has happened to other positions in the past and I know it seems crazy that it would ever happen to the most important position in sports, but the reality is it is almost impossible to pay a QB top dollar and win a SB.

[Aseahawkfan]

I would be vehemently opposed to some type of QB exemption in the salary cap. Damn QB's are pampered enough as it is, and you'd essentially be trying to save the owners/GM's from themselves. Let teams like the Packers and Browns stew in their own broth if they make a bad deal. No one's forcing them to make those ridiculous offers. Leave things alone and the problem will self correct.

That would lead to immense problems. I would never go for that. It would destroy the salary cap as 100 million QBs while other players split the salary cap would cause full scale union rebellion. I'm with you. I would never support this. It would lead to the death of the salary cap.

Let teams overpay for QBs and have crap teams around them that never win more Super Bowls.

[Hawktawk]

I felt Russ was in the same situation as a first basketball type deal . Quasi forcing his way out while in his prime and picking his landing spot .
A few interesting comments from PC . He said on Mike Salk yesterday morning that he was never in favor of trading Russ , never thought it would happen and when it did he chose to see the opportunity for the team or words to that effect . So was he not on board ? If so it’s another sign of the power shift .
Also Carroll reinterated a desire to resign Geno “ had a great command of the offense “ ahead of the others in the competition from that standpoint “. So if that doesn’t happen it’s another sign PC is a paper Tiger .

[NorthHawk]

I felt Russ was in the same situation as a first basketball type deal . Quasi forcing his way out while in his prime and picking his landing spot .
A few interesting comments from PC . He said on Mike Salk yesterday morning that he was never in favor of trading Russ , never thought it would happen and when it did he chose to see the opportunity for the team or words to that effect . So was he not on board ? If so it’s another sign of the power shift .
Also Carroll reinterated a desire to resign Geno “ had a great command of the offense “ ahead of the others in the competition from that standpoint “. So if that doesn’t happen it’s another sign PC is a paper Tiger .

At the time I took it as maybe a power shift - and maybe it is but in thinking about it maybe he meant it was Russ's decision and once he said he didn't want to be here any more they had to get what they could for him.

[Hawktawk]

I believe Carroll said he wasn’t in favor of trading him even if he wanted out . Kind of like Wags . PC said he was hoping to bring him back and had a different opinion than John in explaining the mix up in notification. Sure looks like things are changing which I see as a good thing .

[NorthHawk]

I believe Carroll said he wasn’t in favor of trading him even if he wanted out . Kind of like Wags . PC said he was hoping to bring him back and had a different opinion than John in explaining the mix up in notification. Sure looks like things are changing which I see as a good thing .

Pete does have a subtlety different tone to his answers and he said one of the things Jody told him was to
make decisions in the best long term interest of the team.

[Aseahawkfan]

I listened to that mealy-mouthed rubbish from Pete on the Russ situation. Just a bunch of garbage. There's nothing either of them can say at this point. They didn't want to work together for whatever reason.

Russ saw no improvement here and wanted to go somewhere else where he felt he had a better chance to win.

Pete decided it was better to move on from a QB who didn't believe in he was doing.

So John found the best deal he could to accommodate both. Done deal.

We all hope Denver craters next year for a good draft pick. After that I won't care about Russ or Denver unless we play them.

[NorthHawk]

I think that’s pretty much it.
Also weighing in on their decision probably was paying Russ as the top QB in the NFL
even if he isn’t. Those negotiations should be interesting.

[TriCitySam]

His actual first year salary is only $1.4M to minimize the effect of any league sanctions against him for his sexual assault cases. Cleveland really sold their souls for this one. Hope it bites 'em in the arse hard.

As you've heard, with a new allegation and a potentially a new grand jury investigation, I wonder if the Browns had something written in the contract to offset the risk. They had to pay him $44.9MM on signing....I would hope its laying in escrow waiting to see how this plays out. I presume they couldn't get their 3 #1's back.

I did just read a quote from the Browns saying they did "extensive research", makes it seem they were aware.

[obiken]

As you've heard, with a new allegation and a potentially a new grand jury investigation, I wonder if the Browns had something written in the contract to offset the risk. They had to pay him $44.9MM on signing....I would hope its laying in escrow waiting to see how this plays out. I presume they couldn't get their 3 #1's back.

I just dont see how that can happen TS, unless a crime like rape was committed. Come on Tyreek Hill grabbed his Girl friend by the throat, slung her around the room like a rag doll, then punched her in the face, then sat on her and punched her out. When his kid was born he flipped out on him and broke his 3 year old son's arm, and just had to go to anger management, NO charges filed. You or I would have went to Prison, where I worked for 27!!

[Hawktawk]

Watson is nauseating . The whole thing is sordid , set the league back decades . Hill is no different . My guess he was getting spun out and KC dealt him . I’ve heard Pete and John are getting bombed with offers for DK and Lockette. If they pull the trigger on that it’s a wrap on the era , total rebuild unless they have a 2012 draft in front of them .

[obiken]

Watson is nauseating . The whole thing is sordid , set the league back decades . Hill is no different . My guess he was getting spun out and KC dealt him . I’ve heard Pete and John are getting bombed with offers for DK and Lockette. If they pull the trigger on that it’s a wrap on the era , total rebuild unless they have a 2012 draft in front of them .

Then why did Steffon Diggs say this morning that we’re not in the rebuild, how was Pete able to get him reup selling him that Kool-Aid? Because everybody else with half a brain knows that we are in a rebuild.

[TriCitySam]

Watson is nauseating . The whole thing is sordid , set the league back decades . Hill is no different . My guess he was getting spun out and KC dealt him . I’ve heard Pete and John are getting bombed with offers for DK and Lockette. If they pull the trigger on that it’s a wrap on the era , total rebuild unless they have a 2012 draft in front of them .

Well, GJ again decided not to proceed. As nauseating as Watson is, so is the Haslam for taking on a guy line that with a mega contract.

I know the Hawks like DK, but seems to me the money is stupid for WR. I be tempted to take a haul....

[RiverDog]

Watson settled out of court 20 of the 24 lawsuits filed against him:

Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson has reached an agreement to settle 20 of the 24 civil lawsuits that had been filed by women who accused him of sexual assault and harassment, an attorney for the women said Tuesday.

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said the settlements have “no impact on the collectively bargained disciplinary process.”

Buzbee (attorney for the plaintiffs) said he plans on taking the four lawsuits that weren’t settled to trial.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/21/deshaun ... suits.html

I'm hearing that the Browns are expecting Watson to be suspended for the entire season. We should hear something soon as you would think that if they were going to suspend him, they'd do it before the start of training camp. I'm not sure why it's taking them so long.

[NorthHawk]

The NFLPA is (according to PFT) going to take the position of an equitable punishment as Kraft, Snyder, and Jones got. Which was really nothing.
And since the owners are supposed to be held to a higher standard, they may have a point.

[RiverDog]

The NFLPA is (according to PFT) going to take the position of an equitable punishment as Kraft, Snyder, and Jones got. Which was really nothing. And since the owners are supposed to be held to a higher standard, they may have a point.

Worthlessburger got 4 weeks for two unproven accusations that were almost identical in nature to those that were filed against Watson. The number of accusations filed against Watson are 12 times the number that Big Ben had levied against him. I cannot see the league going with any less than an 8 game suspension no matter what position the union takes, and I can't see an arbitrator making a substantial reduction as they will be looking to see how a Watson suspension compares with other similar ones.

Although an out of court settlement isn't an admission of guilt, it does give the perception that he's not completely innocent, that if he believed himself as being set up or lied about, that he would have gone to court over them, perhaps even file a counter suit for defamation of character.

[NorthHawk]

Roethlisberger was before the Kraft/Jones/Snyder incidents.
They now have a benchmark from which to compare punishments of players and owners.

[RiverDog]

Roethlisberger was before the Kraft/Jones/Snyder incidents. They now have a benchmark from which to compare punishments of players and owners.

They're going to have to hand down some significant punishment or else they face a huge potential backlash. How can they rationalize 24 civil complaints by simply citing those examples? IMO they punish them heavily and leave it up to the arbitrator if he/she wants to reduce it any.

[Aseahawkfan]

I am so glad we did not trade for Watson. I don't care how good he is. I would not have felt good with that guy at QB.

I don't care if the millionaire athletes demand the same punishments as the billionaire owners. Not like the players and owners haven't both engaged in plenty of scumbag behavior they overlook to win or just have a good player.

[RiverDog]

I am so glad we did not trade for Watson. I don't care how good he is. I would not have felt good with that guy at QB.

I don't care if the millionaire athletes demand the same punishments as the billionaire owners. Not like the players and owners haven't both engaged in plenty of scumbag behavior they overlook to win or just have a good player.

I agree. Kraft, Snyder, Jones, et al should have been punished, but two wrongs don't make a right. It's not an acceptable excuse not to punish Watson for what was obviously a blatant violation of the personal conduct policy. Watson's 'crimes' of sexual assault, although unproven, are leaps and bounds above what Robert Kraft did, ie soliciting prostitution.

[Aseahawkfan]

I agree. Kraft, Snyder, Jones, et al should have been punished, but two wrongs don't make a right. It's not an acceptable excuse not to punish Watson for what was obviously a blatant violation of the personal conduct policy. Watson's 'crimes' of sexual assault, although unproven, are leaps and bounds above what Robert Kraft did, ie soliciting prostitution.

I don't even know for sure what Watson did. I just know it was weird. Probably uncomfortable for the women. I figure he was probably requesting Happy Endings from masseuses that didn't normally give them. Sure, there are lots of massage parlors of ill repute, but not all of them. Many are likely legitimate massage parlors with women that do it for a living as giving even regular massages is good money. If he was trying to get Happy Endings from legitimate massage therapists by showing himself off while offering cash or the like, then I guess I have an idea of what he was doing. It obviously wasn't full on rape or he would be in jail. Either way, that's just weird.

And I doubt that was the first time Robert Kraft did what he did and Snyder has tons of stuff built up on him. I can see the union having a legal precedent for fighting back given the weak punishments given to owners and possible discrimination being shown. Even if Watson doesn't get suspended, he may be able to sue for compensation. I imagine we will see how invested the union is in fighting on behalf Watson.

[RiverDog]

I agree. Kraft, Snyder, Jones, et al should have been punished, but two wrongs don't make a right. It's not an acceptable excuse not to punish Watson for what was obviously a blatant violation of the personal conduct policy. Watson's 'crimes' of sexual assault, although unproven, are leaps and bounds above what Robert Kraft did, ie soliciting prostitution.

I don't even know for sure what Watson did. I just know it was weird. Probably uncomfortable for the women. I figure he was probably requesting Happy Endings from masseuses that didn't normally give them. Sure, there are lots of massage parlors of ill repute, but not all of them. Many are likely legitimate massage parlors with women that do it for a living as giving even regular massages is good money. If he was trying to get Happy Endings from legitimate massage therapists by showing himself off while offering cash or the like, then I guess I have an idea of what he was doing. It obviously wasn't full on rape or he would be in jail. Either way, that's just weird.

And I doubt that was the first time Robert Kraft did what he did and Snyder has tons of stuff built up on him. I can see the union having a legal precedent for fighting back given the weak punishments given to owners and possible discrimination being shown. Even if Watson doesn't get suspended, he may be able to sue for compensation. I imagine we will see how invested the union is in fighting on behalf Watson.

Watson is accused of forcing the women to perform sexual acts, exposed himself without asking first, etc. As many massage parlors as he visited, at least 66 in just 17 months according to the NY Times, he is going to encounter legitimate therapists that don't give 'extras' or that they may not have wanted to perform the specific service or act he was requesting/demanding. In any event, just by the number of accusations alone, 24 of them, and knowing what I do about those businesses, I think it very likely that some of those accusations have some merit to them as well as some that are gold diggers that are falsifying their chargers. It's also possible that there were more situations where Watson behaved illegally but that the women may not have wanted to file charges. A lot of those women are foreigners unaware of their rights and subject to exploitation. Some can't even speak English.

In any event, the whole situation just smells to high heaven, and I can't see the league going easy on him.

[Hawktawk]

Dude was playing small towel with them bringing a miniature towel , humping the massage table and leaving ummmm....evidence. FYI the attorney handling the remaining lawsuits has added the Texans organization to it based on their facilitating of his activities furnishing a hotel suite under the name of a team official and providing NDAs AFTER he reported receiving complaints and threats from masseuses. It s as big a scandal as the league has had. Hes facing an indefinite suspension and Ive read reports the Browns may sign Garroppolo now. And you think Seattle's QB room is a mess

[RiverDog]

Dude was playing small towel with them bringing a miniature towel , humping the massage table and leaving ummmm....evidence. FYI the attorney handling the remaining lawsuits has added the Texans organization to it based on their facilitating of his activities furnishing a hotel suite under the name of a team official and providing NDAs AFTER he reported receiving complaints and threats from masseuses. It s as big a scandal as the league has had. Hes facing an indefinite suspension and Ive read reports the Browns may sign Garroppolo now. And you think Seattle's QB room is a mess

Here's an article you're referring to about the Browns and Jimmy G., along with more Mayfield to Seattle scuttle butt:

The NFL reportedly wants to suspend Deshaun Watson indefinitely and for a minimum of one year. If the NFL succeeds, the Browns will need a quarterback. And Baker Mayfield probably isn't the answer for them, considering he requested a trade.

Enter the 49ers and Jimmy Garoppolo.

If Watson gets suspended for a full season, the Browns won't have to pay him for a full 12 months, and that means they could afford to pay Jimmy Garoppolo for one year, which is all he has left on his contract.

Theoretically, if/when the NFL suspends Watson, the Browns could trade Mayfield to the Seattle Seahawks, who desperately need a starting quarterback, and the 49ers could trade Jimmy Garoppolo to the Cleveland Browns, who would rent him for one year.


https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/why-i ... the-browns

[RiverDog]

Here's the article HT was referring to about Watson and the Texans:

One of the women who sued Deshaun Watson and accused him of sexual misconduct also has sued Watson’s former NFL team, the Houston Texans, accusing the organization of enabling the quarterback’s behavior in massage sessions.

The lawsuit filed Monday is the first “of what will likely be many against the Houston Texans related to Deshaun Watson’s behavior,” the women’s attorney, Tony Buzbee, said Monday in a statement. “Suffice it to say, the overwhelming evidence collected indicating that the Houston Texans enabled Watson’s behavior is incredibly damning. We believe the Texans knew or most certainly should have known of Watson’s conduct. Beyond that, we believe the filing speaks for itself.”

In this case, the plaintiff previously sued Watson, did not settle with him and now is suing the Texans, alleging that the team was part of a civil conspiracy and failed to supervise him or warn her of his conduct and proclivities.

She alleged Watson drove some 35 minutes to her mother’s home in Manvel, Texas, after he requested a massage from her on Instagram in November 2020. She had two encounters with him, and she said he exposed himself to her and ejaculated on her during the second encounter. The same woman testified before a grand jury in Brazoria County, Texas, in March, the second grand jury that chose not to indict him on criminal charges.

https://news.yahoo.com/woman-suing-desh ... 13599.html

Is there anyone that still feels the league will go easy on Watson due to their treatment of Jones, Snyder, and Kraft? Regardless of whether or not these allegations are true, the league simply can't turn a blind eye to them. I can't see them doing anything besides an indefinite suspension.

[NorthHawk]

I had read somewhere that if Watson was suspended this year the Browns would still be on the hook for Watson's last year of his original contract
as the new one is an extension. Therefore, the QB cost would be Jimmy G's contract plus the last year of Watsons contract.
Probably still less than what the Browns will have to pay next year, but still a lot of money.

[RiverDog]

I had read somewhere that if Watson was suspended this year the Browns would still be on the hook for Watson's last year of his original contract
as the new one is an extension. Therefore, the QB cost would be Jimmy G's contract plus the last year of Watsons contract.
Probably still less than what the Browns will have to pay next year, but still a lot of money.

And the Browns are currently still on the hook for Mayfield's $19M contract.

Man, what an abortion!