Contract Talks with current players

[NorthHawk]

Apparently we are in contract talks with Geno Smith's camp.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/ ... ract-talks

Apparently Rappoport has reported that we are willing to use the FT on him and Pete hasn't helped by saying things like he's our guy and we're going forward with him, etc.

“I’m told Geno Smith will be back with Seattle in 2023,” Rapoport said on “NFL Game Day.” “He is genuine, he is well-liked, he has played great.

“He is also a free agent, so they’re going to try to work on a new deal. There is also the franchise tag available. Expect them to use that if it is necessary. $30 million-plus would be double what Geno has made in his career.”

https://thecomeback.com/nfl/seahawks-ge ... -2023.html

Why would they let it be known that they are willing to use the FT on Smith? It might be that this was planted by the Smith camp, but it sounds right if we look at past behavior by our FO.
It would set the floor at more than $31M per year in any multi year deal.
I would offer him a 5 year %50 million deal that includes 2 voidable years and $30 Million guaranteed - and not much more than that.

[RiverDog]

Apparently we are in contract talks with Geno Smith's camp.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/ ... ract-talks

Apparently Rappoport has reported that we are willing to use the FT on him and Pete hasn't helped by saying things like he's our guy and we're going forward with him, etc.

“I’m told Geno Smith will be back with Seattle in 2023,” Rapoport said on “NFL Game Day.” “He is genuine, he is well-liked, he has played great.

“He is also a free agent, so they’re going to try to work on a new deal. There is also the franchise tag available. Expect them to use that if it is necessary. $30 million-plus would be double what Geno has made in his career.”

https://thecomeback.com/nfl/seahawks-ge ... -2023.html

Why would they let it be known that they are willing to use the FT on Smith? It might be that this was planted by the Smith camp, but it sounds right if we look at past behavior by our FO.
It would set the floor at more than $31M per year in any multi year deal.
I would offer him a 5 year %50 million deal that includes 2 voidable years and $30 Million guaranteed - and not much more than that.

Yeah, that doesn't sound like a very good negotiating tactic. I guess that's why Pete's a football coach and not a labor attorney.

[Hawktawk]

I caught Genos press conference . Very emotional , very thankful . “ I could have been out of the league . “ “ I want to finish my career here “ I want to pay them back . “
Doesn’t sound like a guy who is going to try and break the bank but who knows . I heard Pete say “ I’m sure John is on it “ but he’s right . Bobby being gone was not Pete’s idea nor was trading Russ . John has that power now no matter what the original arrangement was . It sure looks like it anyway after last offseason.

But back to Geno 30 TD s led the conference 4th in league . Top 5 in yards . #1 in completion %, 6th in qbr. 68 carrries for 366 yards , 5.4 average . 11 picks tied for 22. 6 were in his last 6 games. Yeah see HT!!!
Yeah I saw Trevor Lawrence throw 4 and win because his team picked him up along with the refs . Geno had 2 incompletions and a 3rd and 2 deep in 9er territory except for a bs man downfield call that the announcers thought was really tight . Third and forever vs the 9ers but still trying to get it all cause you can’t stop them , fumble . Game over . Then a pick having ti throw due to no run game or defense .

Geno was sacked 46 times this year , hardly great protection and most were second half of season which is when the turnovers went up .

I’m not a capologist or draft guru and I don’t know what Pete and John are gonna do but I have truly enjoyed Geno Smith in a Seattle uniform and hope he’s back . You can win with Geno with a run game and competent defense .

[govandals]

No way they franchise tag Geno. 1 year and roughly 32 million fully guaranteed? Not happening.

[Aseahawkfan]

No way they franchise tag Geno. 1 year and roughly 32 million fully guaranteed? Not happening.

I don't know. They paid a lot of QBs worse than Geno a lot of money. Market for a competitive QB is a lot of money.

[RiverDog]

No way they franchise tag Geno. 1 year and roughly 32 million fully guaranteed? Not happening.

I don't know. They paid a lot of QBs worse than Geno a lot of money. Market for a competitive QB is a lot of money.

Then they may have to make some unpopular choices. We have a ton of money locked up in two positions and 4 players: Safety (Diggs and Adams) and wide receiver (Lockett and Metcalf).

[Aseahawkfan]

Then they may have to make some unpopular choices. We have a ton of money locked up in two positions and 4 players: Safety (Diggs and Adams) and wide receiver (Lockett and Metcalf).

Welcome to the salary cap era. You watched Aaron Rodgers lose his best receiver to get his money. This salary cap and free agency era means you have to sacrifice talent to hold on to a single QB. It's very hard to build a super team and definitely impossible to keep them together very long. That's the nature of the modern game.

[RiverDog]

Then they may have to make some unpopular choices. We have a ton of money locked up in two positions and 4 players: Safety (Diggs and Adams) and wide receiver (Lockett and Metcalf).

Welcome to the salary cap era. You watched Aaron Rodgers lose his best receiver to get his money. This salary cap and free agency era means you have to sacrifice talent to hold on to a single QB. It's very hard to build a super team and definitely impossible to keep them together very long. That's the nature of the modern game.

Yup, which is one of the reasons why I wanted to trade Metcalf while he was still on his rookie contract. IMO wide receivers and safeties are not where you want your highest paid players at.

[TriCitySam]

Yeah, I don't see where the Seahawks said they were going to use the franchise tag on Geno. Rapport said its available and "expect them to use it", but that's from his mouth, not the Seahawks. $32MM is a lot, but if you don't lock him in too long, then I guess you can live with it. The QB's in that price range are Tannahill, Ryan, Wentz and Goff.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah, I don't see where the Seahawks said they were going to use the franchise tag on Geno. Rapport said its available and "expect them to use it", but that's from his mouth, not the Seahawks. $32MM is a lot, but if you don't lock him in too long, then I guess you can live with it. The QB's in that price range are Tannahill, Ryan, Wentz and Goff.

Tannehill has never had a season like Geno had in 11 seasons either . He’s the only reason Cincy advanced a year ago wasting NINE sacks of burrow by his defense with 3 picks in divisional including the final seconds. Geno throws a pick , fumbles well I guess he write back Ryan was as bad as Wilson . Goff is making McVeigh look foolish with almost 27 ppg on a bad Detroit team . The only guy even remotely in Genos category . If Geno hits FA it’s him , Carr perhaps , Jimmy G, fossilized Tom Brady ? Anyone ?
30 mil is not a bad deal . I saw lots of guys on defense we might as well cut . We could bring in a rookie with a weak line and weak defense if we spend the capital on a qb. Even if we do draft say Levis who is beat up from college better not throw him to the wolves .
It ain’t Genos fault we’re done playing . Someone will pay him

[NorthHawk]

Geno started real hot, but he came back to earth the last 6 or 7 games, throwing something like 6 INTs and a couple of fumbles.
If he starts out next year like he finished he will be an OK QB and won’t be worth the money he’s paid.

The best contract for both sides is something along the lines of 5 years with $30M guaranteed and the last two years being voidable. That sets him up for life and protects the team from both a downturn in his performance and a serious Cap hit.

According to overthecap.com we currently have $34,280,644 in Cap space so a Franchise Tag would leave us with only 3 or 4
million and only 47 players under contract.

[RiverDog]

Geno started real hot, but he came back to earth the last 6 or 7 games, throwing something like 6 INTs and a couple of fumbles.
If he starts out next year like he finished he will be an OK QB and won’t be worth the money he’s paid.

The best contract for both sides is something along the lines of 5 years with $30M guaranteed and the last two years being voidable. That sets him up for life and protects the team from both a downturn in his performance and a serious Cap hit.

According to overthecap.com we currently have $34,280,644 in Cap space so a Franchise Tag would leave us with only 3 or 4
million and only 47 players under contract.

That's what I'm worried about, too. We have Poona Ford, Cody Barton, Raashad Penny, and Austin Blythe, all starters that we're either going to have to resign or replace. Then toss in players like Ryan Neal, Marquise Goodwin, Nick Bellore, Travis Homer, Tyler Ott, Justin Coleman, along with a number of other free agents that are unsigned, and that $3-4 M starts to get really thin.

[NorthHawk]

I’m not sure that the current numbers include the cost of expected draft picks and it surely doesn’t include the cost of the PS.
We would have to make some real unpopular cuts and assume a big Dead Cap hit for making those cuts.

[jshawaii22]

NFL had an incredibly profitable year as the TV ratings were up, in-house tix were 2% over last year and so were all sales and other NFL products (except for Thursday Night on Amazon) --
I see the salary cap up 10+ million this year, so to me, resigning some of the FA's and others shouldn't be that big of a deal. We don't need both Diggs and Adams (maybe trade Adams) -- we don't need all those lesser free agents like the oft-injured Penny and except for Ryan Neal, none of those name are critical. AS usual, we will sign many of them anyway, as the players probably aren't in demand.

[Old but Slow]

We are currently investing about $34m on Adams and Diggs. Compare that to the $2.6m we paid Neal. Sometimes it is not how much you spend, but how you spend it.

[RiverDog]

NFL had an incredibly profitable year as the TV ratings were up, in-house tix were 2% over last year and so were all sales and other NFL products (except for Thursday Night on Amazon) --
I see the salary cap up 10+ million this year, so to me, resigning some of the FA's and others shouldn't be that big of a deal. We don't need both Diggs and Adams (maybe trade Adams) -- we don't need all those lesser free agents like the oft-injured Penny and except for Ryan Neal, none of those name are critical. AS usual, we will sign many of them anyway, as the players probably aren't in demand.

I was just going to say, it's doubtful that we'd get much for Adams as he's damaged good, and any team that might want him would simply wait for us to cut him and not have to forfeit the draft picks. But the problem is that doing so would require Pete/JS to admit to having made one of the worst trades in franchise history, so my guess is that they'll continue to try to pound a square peg into a round hole.

[NorthHawk]

NFL had an incredibly profitable year as the TV ratings were up, in-house tix were 2% over last year and so were all sales and other NFL products (except for Thursday Night on Amazon) --
I see the salary cap up 10+ million this year, so to me, resigning some of the FA's and others shouldn't be that big of a deal. We don't need both Diggs and Adams (maybe trade Adams) -- we don't need all those lesser free agents like the oft-injured Penny and except for Ryan Neal, none of those name are critical. AS usual, we will sign many of them anyway, as the players probably aren't in demand.

From what I understand, overthecap.com takes into account the expected increase in the Cap.
It currently has us at $34,280,644 with only 47 players under contract. It also calculates an Effective Cap Space which presumes the money spent on re-signing players, PS cost, and the cost of signing Draft picks.
That Effective Cap Space is $21,639,766. So signing Geno to a FT would put us over $10M in the red before even looking at Free Agents. We would actually have to cut about $15 - 20M in order to run the team
and account for injuries and bonuses for players who exceed their contracts (not expected to earn monies). Top Free Agents (players that could actually improve the team rather than those plugging holes in the depth)
would be on top of that so we would expect another $10 to 15M hit.
If we FT Geno, some big salaries will have to go, but that then means a larger Dead Cap hit.
The trick is getting to next year and beyond as in 2024 the Cap is expected to be about $256M and in 2025, $282M. But players know that, too so they will want larger contracts today to take that increase into account.

[Hawktawk]

Geno started real hot, but he came back to earth the last 6 or 7 games, throwing something like 6 INTs and a couple of fumbles.
If he starts out next year like he finished he will be an OK QB and won’t be worth the money he’s paid.

The best contract for both sides is something along the lines of 5 years with $30M guaranteed and the last two years being voidable. That sets him up for life and protects the team from both a downturn in his performance and a serious Cap hit.

According to overthecap.com we currently have $34,280,644 in Cap space so a Franchise Tag would leave us with only 3 or 4
million and only 47 players under contract.

Dak Prescott led the league with 15 picks in 12 starts. notable QBs with more picks
Kirk Cousins 14,Carr 14,all world Josh Allen and I do love the guy 14,Matt Ryan former MVP making 30 million 13,, Arod 12, also Mahomes and Burrow. Geno is tied in the top 10 with Russ and Justin Fields with 11 apiece. Geno threw as many TDs as those 2 combined as they each had 15. One by a 50 million 11 year all pro and another by a top 3 pick in his second year. Wilson + Fields 30 TDs -22 picks.....

Everyone wonders about the last 6. But Geno was sacked 46 times, played half the last 6 with zero run game and minus Lockett in one game, minus his favorite TE uncle will the last month. Still led the league in completion % by 1.5% over Burrow whose game he somewhat reminds me of. almost too calm in the pocket. He waits and takes hits waiting for the guy to clear, takes sacks as a result. He feels the rush but he doesn't even look at it when hes being hit. Hes not Lamar Jackson or young Russ but hes slipperier than you think with 366 yards and a 5.4 PC. He played every snap too.

He got hit and fumbled saturday trying to hit a chunk play because a flag took us from 3rd and 2 to 3rd and forever and we all knew we had to score every possession
He admitted he was feeling pressure to do too much and hes the closest to a gunslinger we ever had IMO. He will throw it anywhere and it bites him but he produced too. We got 9 wins because of him and lost 5 others when we'd for sure have had 3 or 4 with any defense in the games.
I dont think anythings set in stone and I heard a name I've mentioned before on Seattle sports. Drew Lock. Pete said they would like to have them both back. If they do that are they really taking a QB?Pete talked about the system being QB friendly, said these 3 top QBs are sensational and they are taking a very hard look at that.
Without the type of QB play we had were not winning 9 games. Can Drew do that? These top rooks? who knows?

I dont think hes taking your 10 million a year deal though. Disrespect bothers Geno obviously.

[NorthHawk]

It's the guaranteed money that he should be after, not total contract.
And he's going to be 33 years old and most athletes start to hit walls around this age, regardless of how much playing time they've accrued.

[Hawktawk]

It's the guaranteed money that he should be after, not total contract.
And he's going to be 33 years old and most athletes start to hit walls around this age, regardless of how much playing time they've accrued.

Let’s see how it shakes out . Geno had 7 years not getting hit at all so he’s as fresh as you are gonna find . He is an actually workout warrior pumping iron every day . He was lifting the day after our loss .

This year makes your point though with all the big # guys getting old and hurt and playing like crap . But he’s not going to take 30 cents on the dollar .

Guarantee or not I saw you proposed a 5 year 50 million with 30 guaranteed which is basically asking the man to play 3 years for what he makes on the Ftag in 1 . Then last 2 you can say see ya? I’m no cap or contract guru but seriously ?


His agent would laugh at that . In a league so starved the fossil Brady is considered a potential FA starter he is worth more . It seems some only want him back for a song . I worry about paying too much based on the 3-5 finish too . But I think if you keep him clean and put a back behind him and enough defense to give him a few more posession a game he will be just fine here or elsewhere .

[mykc14]

I was just going to say, it's doubtful that we'd get much for Adams as he's damaged good, and any team that might want him would simply wait for us to cut him and not have to forfeit the draft picks. But the problem is that doing so would require Pete/JS to admit to having made one of the worst trades in franchise history, so my guess is that they'll continue to try to pound a square peg into a round hole.

A trade would be awesome, but very unlikely (although the Bears did give us a first for Rick Mirer, which I think we used to draft Shaun Alexander although I could be off on that one). I also think that financially it actually makes more sense to see if we can make it work with Adams than to cut him and have to pay out $10 mil each of the next two years in dead money (although you would save 8 this year). So I agree, my guess is that Adams stays put. I think we do put a tender on Neal which will cost us about 4 mil probably so in three safeties we will have over $40 million in cap hits next year (although I think there is a chance that we cut Diggs). The problem is that creates another hole, so unless the team thinks Neal can play FS, you are still looking for your starting FS. We might be able to save 10- 15 mil by cutting him we would still need to spend 5 mil at least to get a starting caliber FS.

[obiken]

Why would they FCT Smith, that is dumb!! IF you cannot work it out with a Geno Smith, who wants to stay here, then both sides need to move on!

[Hawktawk]

Why would they FCT Smith, that is dumb!! IF you cannot work it out with a Geno Smith, who wants to stay here, then both sides need to move on!

That may be absolutely correct.We need to remember Geno held out for a bigger contract or incentives or something last year on a 500k guaranteed deal.

He sounds different this time and beyond that Pete dont like turnovers, especially in the playoffs.Lets see what happens. I think if someone offers him 90 for 3 years they wont pay it unless everyone is serious and its done by FA. You would think the draft would figure. He was praising Genos season and performance until "right up till that last game" got slipped in too.

Glad I dont have to figure it out. Either way I enjoyed the hell out of Geno most of the year.

[RiverDog]

I was just going to say, it's doubtful that we'd get much for Adams as he's damaged good, and any team that might want him would simply wait for us to cut him and not have to forfeit the draft picks. But the problem is that doing so would require Pete/JS to admit to having made one of the worst trades in franchise history, so my guess is that they'll continue to try to pound a square peg into a round hole.

A trade would be awesome, but very unlikely (although the Bears did give us a first for Rick Mirer, which I think we used to draft Shaun Alexander although I could be off on that one). I also think that financially it actually makes more sense to see if we can make it work with Adams than to cut him and have to pay out $10 mil each of the next two years in dead money (although you would save 8 this year). So I agree, my guess is that Adams stays put. I think we do put a tender on Neal which will cost us about 4 mil probably so in three safeties we will have over $40 million in cap hits next year (although I think there is a chance that we cut Diggs). The problem is that creates another hole, so unless the team thinks Neal can play FS, you are still looking for your starting FS. We might be able to save 10- 15 mil by cutting him we would still need to spend 5 mil at least to get a starting caliber FS.

We used the Chicago pick we got from the Mirer trade as part of a package to draft Shawn Springs in 1997. We didn't draft Shaun Alexander until 2000 when Mike Holmgren was our HC. There's no way we'd ever come close to getting any better than a Day 3 pick for Adams without eating a huge chunk of his salary.

I actually like Neal better than Adams at FS as he's not near the liability in coverage as Adams has been and I think he's every bit as good against the run. But Neal is a UFA, too.

I don't like how our salary is distributed. We have something like $65M, close to 30% of our projected cap, tied up in two safeties and 2 WR's. They're the 4 highest paid players on our roster. That one of the reasons why I was advocating trading Metcalf last year, that we'd end up in a situation like this.

[TriCitySam]

I'm OK with the WR. Not sure where the $65MM comes from. According to Overthecap, the cap base is $225MM for '23, and our cap # is $30MM Lockett and Metcalf in '23, or 13% of the 2023 cap base. The Dolphins have a $31MM '23 cap # tied up in Tyreek Hill alone and the Rams $28MM in Kupp.

The Adams deal is unfortunate. He's a talented player, and there was nothing there that led you to believe he would miss so much time with injuries. His cap # was $9MM in '22, but jumps to $18MM in '23. I quite sure that something will happen there. Probably can't cut this year ($23MM dead money), but I could see them re-working the deal - and if he comes back in good shape this fall, then he WILL have trade value. There are other guys that something may have to be done with: Nwosu, Harris, Gabe Jackson. Dissly or Fant.

[RiverDog]

I'm OK with the WR. Not sure where the $65MM comes from. According to Overthecap, the cap base is $225MM for '23, and our cap # is $30MM Lockett and Metcalf in '23, or 13% of the 2023 cap base. The Dolphins have a $31MM '23 cap # tied up in Tyreek Hill alone and the Rams $28MM in Kupp.

The Adams deal is unfortunate. He's a talented player, and there was nothing there that led you to believe he would miss so much time with injuries. His cap # was $9MM in '22, but jumps to $18MM in '23. I quite sure that something will happen there. Probably can't cut this year ($23MM dead money), but I could see them re-working the deal - and if he comes back in good shape this fall, then he WILL have trade value. There are other guys that something may have to be done with: Nwosu, Harris, Gabe Jackson. Dissly or Fant.

I was doing the math in my head. However, now that I'm armed with my calculator app, I realize that I've actually understated it a tad. 2023 Cap numbers for the top 4 Hawks:

Jamal Adams $18.1M
Quandre Diggs $18.1M
Tyler Lockett 16.8M
DK Metcalf $13.7

Total $66.7M

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/seattle-seahawks

The estimated salary cap for 2023 is $220-225M, so those 4 players are eating up 29.6-30.3% of our cap.

It's just my own personal opinion, but I don't think wide receiver and safety is where we want to be spending the bulk of our cap money.

[mykc14]

We used the Chicago pick we got from the Mirer trade as part of a package to draft Shawn Springs in 1997. We didn't draft Shaun Alexander until 2000 when Mike Holmgren was our HC. There's no way we'd ever come close to getting any better than a Day 3 pick for Adams without eating a huge chunk of his salary.

I actually like Neal better than Adams at FS as he's not near the liability in coverage as Adams has been and I think he's every bit as good against the run. But Neal is a UFA, too.

I don't like how our salary is distributed. We have something like $65M, close to 30% of our projected cap, tied up in two safeties and 2 WR's. They're the 4 highest paid players on our roster. That one of the reasons why I was advocating trading Metcalf last year, that we'd end up in a situation like this.

Ah, got it... Bad memory on my part! I agree we aren't getting anything for Adams... although one stupid team already traded 2 first round picks for him so you never know.

Adams as a FS is a huge NO from me. I'm saying that if we do get rid of Diggs then I don't know about Neal as a FS. If he can't play it then I would rather get somebody else. Adams at FS- NO!!

I also don't like how our salary is distributed. We have way undervalued the DL/EDGE positions for too long. That needs to be fixed.

[RiverDog]

We used the Chicago pick we got from the Mirer trade as part of a package to draft Shawn Springs in 1997. We didn't draft Shaun Alexander until 2000 when Mike Holmgren was our HC. There's no way we'd ever come close to getting any better than a Day 3 pick for Adams without eating a huge chunk of his salary.

I actually like Neal better than Adams at FS as he's not near the liability in coverage as Adams has been and I think he's every bit as good against the run. But Neal is a UFA, too.

I don't like how our salary is distributed. We have something like $65M, close to 30% of our projected cap, tied up in two safeties and 2 WR's. They're the 4 highest paid players on our roster. That one of the reasons why I was advocating trading Metcalf last year, that we'd end up in a situation like this.

Ah, got it... Bad memory on my part! I agree we aren't getting anything for Adams... although one stupid team already traded 2 first round picks for him so you never know.

Adams as a FS is a huge NO from me. I'm saying that if we do get rid of Diggs then I don't know about Neal as a FS. If he can't play it then I would rather get somebody else. Adams at FS- NO!!

I also don't like how our salary is distributed. We have way undervalued the DL/EDGE positions for too long. That needs to be fixed.

Agreed. Safety is one of the lowest paid positions in the league, yet our two highest paid players are both safeties. And I don't think any other team has two WR's getting the kind of bucks our two guys are getting.

If we're going to bring back Geno, and by the sounds of it, we probably are, we're going to have to make some really tough decisions.

[c_hawkbob]

4 year $21M deal to extend Myers. So we're set at kicker for a while.

[Agent 86]

4 year $21M deal to extend Myers. So we're set at kicker for a while.

Great news! It's so nice to have a reliable kicker.

One other note, this will be Jordyn Brooks' 4th year coming up in September 2023, which means the 'Hawks have to decide whether or not to exercise his 5th year option. The window just opened up last week and they have to decide by May 1st. Given his injury, it makes it a little cloudy, but I still think he will be optioned for a 5th year by the team. As stated before, there hasn't been alot of Seahawks 1st rounders recently who they did option for that 5th year. Brooks appears to be a real big piece of the D for the future though. Hope he rehabs well and is ready to go for September.

[RiverDog]

One other note, this will be Jordyn Brooks' 4th year coming up in September 2023, which means the 'Hawks have to decide whether or not to exercise his 5th year option. The window just opened up last week and they have to decide by May 1st. Given his injury, it makes it a little cloudy, but I still think he will be optioned for a 5th year by the team. As stated before, there hasn't been alot of Seahawks 1st rounders recently who they did option for that 5th year. Brooks appears to be a real big piece of the D for the future though. Hope he rehabs well and is ready to go for September.

Hasn't been a lot? Since the clause was inserted into the CBA in 2011, there hasn't been any first round draft picks, at least none that we drafted, of which we picked up the 5th year option on. It's an indictment on the poor job we've done at drafting and/or developing first round selections.

[Old but Slow]

Pete seems to love Brooks, but I am not seeing it. He and Barton made up surely the worst middle linebacking in the league, and no, I don't have stats to back that up, it just is. He has all the tools, and he may grow into it, but he does not seem to be able to fill a rushing lane, and most of his tackles are after a gain has been made. Where are the tackles for loss, or sacks? Not happening.

Barton is no better. They seemed to improve with Muse and A J Johnson.

[Agent 86]

One other note, this will be Jordyn Brooks' 4th year coming up in September 2023, which means the 'Hawks have to decide whether or not to exercise his 5th year option. The window just opened up last week and they have to decide by May 1st. Given his injury, it makes it a little cloudy, but I still think he will be optioned for a 5th year by the team. As stated before, there hasn't been alot of Seahawks 1st rounders recently who they did option for that 5th year. Brooks appears to be a real big piece of the D for the future though. Hope he rehabs well and is ready to go for September.

Hasn't been a lot? Since the clause was inserted into the CBA in 2011, there hasn't been any first round draft picks, at least none that we drafted, of which we picked up the 5th year option on. It's an indictment on the poor job we've done at drafting and/or developing first round selections.

Wow, Riv, I thought there must have been at least 1 maybe 2, but none? I didn't research it. That is incredible.

So I did look it up, and from 2011-2019(9 drafts), the Seahawks only had 5 first round picks. And yep, none of them were optioned by the team for a 5th year. That list includes Carpenter, Irvin, Ifedi, Penny, and Collier. Brooks will be decided by May, next year there are none on the roster (didn't have a 2021 1st round pick), and then Charles Cross will come up the following year for a decision prior to his 4th year.

Prior to that clause being inserted, the 2010 draft gave us Earl Thomas and Okung, two guys who surely would have been optioned had it existed.

[obiken]

Jamal Adams $18.1M
Quandre Diggs $18.1M
Tyler Lockett 16.8M
DK Metcalf $13.7

Total $66.7M

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/seattle-seahawks

The estimated salary cap for 2023 is $220-225M, so those 4 players are eating up 29.6-30.3% of our cap.

It's just my own personal opinion, but I don't think wide receiver and safety is where we want to be spending the bulk of our cap money.

18 Million for Jamal Adams, What a waste!

[govandals]

Anyone catch Brock Huard yesterday? He talked about using the post June 1st cut designation on Jamal Adams. Good to see someone in the Seattle media finally touch on that. It's time for Pete to be brutal like he was in the early days. Admit the mistake and move forward.

I'm OK with the Jason Myers deal. Second highest paid kicker in the league now, he deserves it. I can just picture Myers' agent calling Schneider during the Dallas/TB game saying "are you watching this crap? You better pay my guy right now!"

[RiverDog]

One other note, this will be Jordyn Brooks' 4th year coming up in September 2023, which means the 'Hawks have to decide whether or not to exercise his 5th year option. The window just opened up last week and they have to decide by May 1st. Given his injury, it makes it a little cloudy, but I still think he will be optioned for a 5th year by the team. As stated before, there hasn't been alot of Seahawks 1st rounders recently who they did option for that 5th year. Brooks appears to be a real big piece of the D for the future though. Hope he rehabs well and is ready to go for September.

Hasn't been a lot? Since the clause was inserted into the CBA in 2011, there hasn't been any first round draft picks, at least none that we drafted, of which we picked up the 5th year option on. It's an indictment on the poor job we've done at drafting and/or developing first round selections.

Wow, Riv, I thought there must have been at least 1 maybe 2, but none? I didn't research it. That is incredible.

So I did look it up, and from 2011-2019(9 drafts), the Seahawks only had 5 first round picks. And yep, none of them were optioned by the team for a 5th year. That list includes Carpenter, Irvin, Ifedi, Penny, and Collier. Brooks will be decided by May, next year there are none on the roster (didn't have a 2021 1st round pick), and then Charles Cross will come up the following year for a decision prior to his 4th year.

Prior to that clause being inserted, the 2010 draft gave us Earl Thomas and Okung, two guys who surely would have been optioned had it existed.

Yeah, and Wilson, Sherman, and Wagner didn't have a 5th year option because they weren't taken in the first round. And to the point of having just 5 first round draft picks, that doesn't hardly justify the lack of picking up options as we spent them on some horrible trades (Harvin, Graham, and Adams). We really have failed miserably in our drafting/development of players over the past 8 seasons.

[Hawktawk]

Penny was hurt , clearly talent wise he’s as good as anyone in the league . I hope they resign him . He’s apparently progressing very well . A couple other people are in that category .

Yeah lots of misses . The record is what it is . It makes the playoffs and wins over Petes tenure even more remarkable . Terrible roster . Among league leaders in wins last 13 years including 11-5 - 12-4 2 and 3 years ago . 9-8 WC with the 29 power ranked team and sandos only guy in his special 4th category totally unfit to start #36 in a 32 team league .

Imagine if we could draft and find free agents . Like the 2 Rotu guys this year , woolen and Geno voted top 100 in the league , Geno Pff comeback player . Complain about DK all you want . He kept us in a playoff game for a half dominating the #1 defense for over 100 yards and 2 TDs . On the season he was over 1k yards and near 100 catches despite playing with a patella injury for several games . I still remember a poster pointing out Marqise Goodwin proved we don’t need DK . Except the guy has been on ir for a while after being in and out . Glad we have he and the other lousy pick Lockett . Got lucky there I guess . Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn . Or how about frank clark we traded for 100 picks ? Must have been ok . A HOF backer , possibly qb , corner , safety . They don’t count cause they aren’t furst rounders .

By all means focus on the negative .

[Hawktawk]

[quote="RiverDog" ]

Yeah, and Wilson, Sherman, and Wagner didn't have a 5th year option because they weren't taken in the first round. And to the point of having just 5 first round draft picks, that doesn't hardly justify the lack of picking up options as we spent them on some horrible trades (Harvin, Graham, and Adams). We really have failed miserably in our drafting/development of players over the past 8 seasons.[/quote]

Adams is the dead bloated horse . Not absolutely sure why Harvin was here but he was a major factor in winning a Super Bowl. You can argue with the 10 people in hawk land who will agree with you .

Graham was traded for to appease Russ according to KJ on Seattle sports . He and Russ were friends and he wanted that big target in the red zone . KJ said everyone knew what happened and were upset about a locker room lunch pail guy like Unger for a guy KJ said was not one of us . Didn’t share the same values . That trade created more tension in that locker room and was attributed to Russels influence . So keep that in mind when assigning blame .
Personally I didn’t see it as a bad trade . Unger was good not great . Jimmy was a great scorer coming in . Blew his patella first year, set some records his second year . It isn’t his fault we lost in the end . It was the height of irony he caught the pass that ended our season in 19 with Green Bay .

Harvin , Graham and Adams were all dynamic explosive athletes . They tried to help the team and failed to various degrees . I wonder how many decisions were made over the years trying to figure out how to placate and pay a certain person .

[NorthHawk]

The problem with Graham wasn't his abilities, but it was how they used him. Trying to make a Pro Bowl WR into a blocking TE was just a waste of resources and it took them until the last year to figure it out.
Unger was a Pro Bowl Center. He was pretty darn good and the best we've had since the Holmgren years. Nobody since him has reached his standards and the FO hasn't even tried.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Leaning into not signing Geno. With 4282 yards, 69.8 completion %, and 30 tds to 11 interceptions, he'll command some serious dollars and likely won't have trouble signing with another team. Get your QB in the draft this year along with other impact pieces. Leave some cap room to sign some free agents. I think Geno deserves his pay day, but it's too much for this team.

I would have preferred to keep Unger. North is right; it has never been properly addressed since then.