Seahawk Dynasty

[obiken]

Hard to believe right, it was 10 years ago the team that was going to be a Dynasty started. I think as we head into what I feel will be darkest period in the history of Seahawk franchise, we reflect back to when that rookie QB came in and took us with in one play of the NFC title game. I still have Mel Kiper's final guide. It reads: Big hands, throws a great deep ball, leader type, and extremely accurate. IF he was 6-2 he would be the first guy off the board. Now they are all gone RG3, Luck, Weedon, only Russ and Kirk Cousins are left. Gone now are all the legion of boom: KJ, ET, KC, Sherm, and Wags. Its hard as I look back how, fast it came upon us, and how fast its gone. Only the coach is left and he is a dinosaur, by the end of this year we will be in the Dark Age of SH FB.

[RiverDog]

Hard to believe right, it was 10 years ago the team that was going to be a Dynasty started. I think as we head into what I feel will be darkest period in the history of Seahawk franchise, we reflect back to when that rookie QB came in and took us with in one play of the NFC title game. I still have Mel Kiper's final guide. It reads: Big hands, throws a great deep ball, leader type, and extremely accurate. IF he was 6-2 he would be the first guy off the board. Now they are all gone RG3, Luck, Weedon, only Russ and Kirk Cousins are left. Gone now are all the legion of boom: KJ, ET, KC, Sherm, and Wags. Its hard as I look back how, fast it came upon us, and how fast its gone. Only the coach is left and he is a dinosaur, by the end of this year we will be in the Dark Age of SH FB.

Unless the team is sold and a new owner threatens to move the franchise, there's no way that we will enter the "darkest period in the history of the Sehawk franchise" You have a short memory, my friend. Don't you remember the Behring years?

[Aseahawkfan]

Hard to believe right, it was 10 years ago the team that was going to be a Dynasty started. I think as we head into what I feel will be darkest period in the history of Seahawk franchise, we reflect back to when that rookie QB came in and took us with in one play of the NFC title game. I still have Mel Kiper's final guide. It reads: Big hands, throws a great deep ball, leader type, and extremely accurate. IF he was 6-2 he would be the first guy off the board. Now they are all gone RG3, Luck, Weedon, only Russ and Kirk Cousins are left. Gone now are all the legion of boom: KJ, ET, KC, Sherm, and Wags. Its hard as I look back how, fast it came upon us, and how fast its gone. Only the coach is left and he is a dinosaur, by the end of this year we will be in the Dark Age of SH FB.

Why do you do this to yourself, obi? Is it a "think the worst, hope for the best" strategy then be happy when things are better than you thought?

The darkest period in Seahawks history was when that bastard Ken Behring tried to destroy the team so he could move the team out of Washington State. What's happening right now is nothing like that or even close. Pete Carroll may have some down years during this rebuild and the rebuild may end in failure and Pete Carroll being gone, but that won't be the 2-14 Ken Behring years with him bringing in the moving trucks to take the team. The Behring Years were the darkest in team history. I doubt this will come close.

[obiken]

Yeah okay KB was the worst guys, I stand corrected.

[Hawktawk]

We will be better then last year . We are going to stuff Russ and the donkeys and go from there . It will be a dark period in denver history .

[obiken]

We will be better then last year . We are going to stuff Russ and the donkeys and go from there . It will be a dark period in denver history .

Yeah Wanna bet. Come on man, no expert is giving us a 500 record, no one.

[Hawktawk]

quote="Hawktawk"]We will be better then last year . We are going to stuff Russ and the donkeys and go from there . It will be a dark period in denver history .[/quote]
Obi
Yeah Wanna bet. Come on man, no expert is giving us a 500 record, no one.[/quote]

That’s not quite true . I’ve seen one article suggesting we could be second in the division . KJ said yesterday don’t be surprised if Seattle makes a serious playoff push. Overall I’ve seen 4 pundits out of hundreds who think Seattle has a shot to be competetive .

I like our week one matchup . The opposing qb is the worst in the league vs cover 4, one of the lowest rated passers on 3rd down , throws less in the middle of the field than anyone in the league . He’s been taking unnecessary sacks for 10 years .Our defense appears to be more dynamic than the last few years . I think Pete might be able to dial up a game plan for that dude. Our qb just has to be competent and we win more than we lose . We’re going 1-0. Then we will see .

[Aseahawkfan]

Yeah Wanna bet. Come on man, no expert is giving us a 500 record, no one.

I don't know, obi.

Matt Stafford is hurting now.

Kyler Murray will be without Deandre Hopkins for the first six games. He sucks without Hopkins.

49ers are starting a rook QB.

I think hawktawk's scenario may not be far off. Our division has a lot of question marks. This year a division winner might occur with a 9-8 to a 7-10 record. Division is not starting off great for health or consistent QB play. It might come down to whoever is least injured going into the games. Though if our defense sucks and our run game doesn't get going, we could crater. It will all just depend on health in the division.

[RiverDog]

Yeah Wanna bet. Come on man, no expert is giving us a 500 record, no one.

I don't know, obi.

Matt Stafford is hurting now.

Kyler Murray will be without Deandre Hopkins for the first six games. He sucks without Hopkins.

49ers are starting a rook QB.

I think hawktawk's scenario may not be far off. Our division has a lot of question marks. This year a division winner might occur with a 9-8 to a 7-10 record. Division is not starting off great for health or consistent QB play. It might come down to whoever is least injured going into the games. Though if our defense sucks and our run game doesn't get going, we could crater. It will all just depend on health in the division.

Stafford actually looks pretty good, at least according to this report:

There have been some concerns with Matthew Stafford in recent days as it’s been discovered that he’s dealing with tendinitis in his elbow. Despite the reports, the veteran quarterback for the Los Angeles Rams showed off his strong arm by delivering a deep pass to Tutu Atwell during Thursday’s practice.

A positive sign for the Rams is that Stafford didn’t put much effort into throwing the ball on this play and it was still almost overthrown for a speedy wideout like Atwell.

But we'll see. He still has over a month before the season starts.

.500 would be a stretch for us, but you're right about the Cards. They fell off a cliff at the end of last season, and IMO Murray is over rated. Plus who knows what the Niners will look like with Trey Lance quarterbacking. Our division could be one of the weakest in the league and I could easily see the champ being just over .500.

[Aseahawkfan]

Stafford actually looks pretty good, at least according to this report:

There have been some concerns with Matthew Stafford in recent days as it’s been discovered that he’s dealing with tendinitis in his elbow. Despite the reports, the veteran quarterback for the Los Angeles Rams showed off his strong arm by delivering a deep pass to Tutu Atwell during Thursday’s practice.

A positive sign for the Rams is that Stafford didn’t put much effort into throwing the ball on this play and it was still almost overthrown for a speedy wideout like Atwell.

But we'll see. He still has over a month before the season starts.

.500 would be a stretch for us, but you're right about the Cards. They fell off a cliff at the end of last season, and IMO Murray is over rated. Plus who knows what the Niners will look like with Trey Lance quarterbacking. Our division could be one of the weakest in the league and I could easily see the champ being just over .500.

If you're experiencing tendinitis in camp, not such a good sign. Maybe it will quickly pass, we'll see. His passing volume going to ramp up and he will be taking hits soon. Everyone knows that dude to throws primarily to Kupp now.

[RiverDog]

If you're experiencing tendinitis in camp, not such a good sign. Maybe it will quickly pass, we'll see. His passing volume going to ramp up and he will be taking hits soon. Everyone knows that dude to throws primarily to Kupp now.

At this point, it's just a situation to keep an eye on. He's going to get some pretty intensive treatment/care and 5 weeks is a good amount of time for it to heal.

We'll see how much he plays in the preseason.

[Hawktawk]

Stafford battled an elbow and back last year . He also led the league with 17 picks . 4 were pick 6s. Might account for a talented defense with some filthy players on it didn’t rank as high statistically . Rams aren’t repeating . They were lucky . Trey Lance isn’t ever the favorite in the locker room . It’s still Jimmy G . Murray is 5’2” cam Newton . Games headed off a cliff and attitudes already there . Kings bury is a lightweight . We will not be a lightweight in the division.

[obiken]

Stafford battled an elbow and back last year . He also led the league with 17 picks . 4 were pick 6s. Might account for a talented defense with some filthy players on it didn’t rank as high statistically . Rams aren’t repeating . They were lucky . Trey Lance isn’t ever the favorite in the locker room . It’s still Jimmy G . Murray is 5’2” cam Newton . Games headed off a cliff and attitudes already there . Kings bury is a lightweight . We will not be a lightweight in the division.

Doesnt matter, they are so stacked he would have to be really injured for them not to walk away with the West.

[Aseahawkfan]

Doesnt matter, they are so stacked he would have to be really injured for them not to walk away with the West.

Drew Lock sounds like he might have some game, Obi.

[c_hawkbob]

Doesnt matter, they are so stacked he would have to be really injured for them not to walk away with the West.

Drew Lock sounds like he might have some game, Obi.

Do please expand that thought Asea. Other than a FB video of him completing a pass and calling it a "laser" everything I'm seeing is that he's a bit of a disappointment thus far.

* edit: I did just read up on the practice game and indeed Drew seems to have done well with both the ones and the twos, so maybe he's coming around after all.

[Hawktawk]

I’d heard Drew Lock was looking better and you just can’t coach what’s hanging off his right shoulder . PC said yesterday Geno is still #1 which is a good thing if Drew is indeed much improved . We need as much competition and sharpening as possible .

Whatever the reason it’s the first time in 10 years Pete had to pick a qb and he made the right call . And not too many expected the guy he picked . So let’s see . I think there’s life after Russ . It will never be as dynamic and heart stopping but it might work better then the last season and a half did . Im excited . It’s the beginnings of a new Hawks run it might be a sprint or it might be a marathon but it has begun .

[Vegaseahawk]

I think as we head into what I feel will be darkest period in the history of Seahawk franchise

Are you forgetting the Ken Behring years, Obi?

[Aseahawkfan]

Do please expand that thought Asea. Other than a FB video of him completing a pass and calling it a "laser" everything I'm seeing is that he's a bit of a disappointment thus far.

* edit: I did just read up on the practice game and indeed Drew seems to have done well with both the ones and the twos, so maybe he's coming around after all.

We got it from the same source. Haha.

I don't know. A part of me is a realist who knows what's likely to happen. But another part of me is an optimist that the closer we get to the season, the more I look for reasons things might go well.

Pete Carroll is my favorite Seahawks coach. The dude always seems up and ready to go. If he's looking for the young team rebuild and restart, then I can look forward to that. Pete seems to be at his best building up something from scratch with young players. So I'm hoping he can make lightning strike twice.

[I-5]

Another vote for the Behring years as the darkest in Hawks history. This era seems like a new beginning, since what we were doing the past 7-8 years was wallowing in mediocrity. I'd rather go big or go home, and it seems like the team is aggressively trying to get younger and stack the roster with athletes. Yes, we lost a HOF quarterback, but honestly I've been frusrated watching him operate the last 3-4 years. Outside of his magic plays, which admittedly he still can pull out sometimes, he's been pretty tame. I'm ready for the post-Russ era, even if we have to suck for a year or 2.

[Vegaseahawk]

Another vote for the Behring years as the darkest in Hawks history. This era seems like a new beginning, since what we were doing the past 7-8 years was wallowing in mediocrity. I'd rather go big or go home, and it seems like the team is aggressively trying to get younger and stack the roster with athletes. Yes, we lost a HOF quarterback, but honestly I've been frusrated watching him operate the last 3-4 years. Outside of his magic plays, which admittedly he still can pull out sometimes, he's been pretty tame. I'm ready for the post-Russ era, even if we have to suck for a year or 2.

This sums up how I feel. PC seems at his best building from the ground up. I don't have mighty expectations for the next 2 years, but I do believe we don't need to capture lightning in a bottle again to become extremely competitive at a high level.

[Hawktawk]

Word out of Denver is they aren’t scoring a lot of TDs . That’s Hackett yesterday . It’s early but it’s not . As incredible as Russel has been he was 6-10 his last 16 games . I think the timing was perfect for Seattle . I look at this roster and it doesn’t look like a 32 power ranking . Pundits almost universally disrespect Pete , Geno , Drew , our entire offensive line , our position coaches . Our overall roster .

Either PC and a few of us fans are utterly delusional or there’s been a major underestimation of the Seahawks . This narrative providing a novel of blackboard material is welcome and helpful. Getting to play the guy that blew it up and said he couldn’t win with these stiffs is even better . It’s a chance to flip the script on its head week one . Only a chance but it’s providence by the schedule makers if Seattle is going to make any noise this year .

[Aseahawkfan]

Word out of Denver is they aren’t scoring a lot of TDs . That’s Hackett yesterday . It’s early but it’s not . As incredible as Russel has been he was 6-10 his last 16 games . I think the timing was perfect for Seattle . I look at this roster and it doesn’t look like a 32 power ranking . Pundits almost universally disrespect Pete , Geno , Drew , our entire offensive line , our position coaches . Our overall roster .

Either PC and a few of us fans are utterly delusional or there’s been a major underestimation of the Seahawks . This narrative providing a novel of blackboard material is welcome and helpful. Getting to play the guy that blew it up and said he couldn’t win with these stiffs is even better . It’s a chance to flip the script on its head week one . Only a chance but it’s providence by the schedule makers if Seattle is going to make any noise this year .

Training camp and preseason judgments are a waste of time.

That being said I'm still not sure what Russ saw in that weak Denver roster. About all they have is two very good RBs and I'm not sure they're building around them. I guess we'll see how Denver uses their RBs in about a month.

We're still shaky in a lot of areas. Apparently we have CB injuries now too. I guess we'll see who can actually go when the games start. Our O-line is impossible to measure until the the real scheming and real games occur. Practice doesn't measure what an O-line can do in a real game much at all.

[NorthHawk]

That being said I'm still not sure what Russ saw in that weak Denver roster. About all they have is two very good RBs and I'm not sure they're building around them. I guess we'll see how Denver uses their RBs in about a month.

Russ gets to play in a modern day Offense instead of a relic of the past. He also has a better OL in Denver than what we have seen the last 7 years or thereabouts.
We'll see what influence Waldron has this year with Seattle, but when it goes sour as it will, Pete will probably pull in the reins like he did a couple of years ago.
After all, he said he an open Offense wasn't something he understands after it won us 5 games at the beginning of the season when the Defense crapped the bed at the beginning of the year.

[obiken]

Are you forgetting the Ken Behring years, Obi?

yeah I already covered that, the Bering Era was the worst, no question, how could I forget!

[Hawktawk]

Asea
“That being said I'm still not sure what Russ saw in that weak Denver roster. About all they have is two very good RBs and I'm not sure they're building around them. I guess we'll see how Denver uses their RBs in about a month.
[/quote]

“Russ gets to play in a modern day Offense instead of a relic of the past. He also has a better OL in Denver than what we have seen the last 7 years or thereabouts.
We'll see what influence Waldron has this year with Seattle, but when it goes sour as it will, Pete will probably pull in the reins like he did a couple of years ago.
After all, he said he an open Offense wasn't something he understands after it won us 5 games at the beginning of the season when the Defense crapped the bed at the beginning of the year.[/quote]


Nathanial Hackett said yesterday “ we’re not scoring a lot of touchdowns but we’re putting ourselves in a position to put points on the board “
That’s a field goal offense with Russ calling the shots. It’s him running practices . I don’t know his many times we gave to hear criticism of an offense that produced 52 and 38 points our last 2 games last year . Jesus I have had it! A great qb should be successful in any offense .

[obiken]

We are tanking get over Hawky, RW will not fail because there is no way barring injury that he can.

[Hawktawk]

We are tanking get over Hawky, RW will not fail because there is no way barring injury that he can.

We will know soon . It’s been about as I predicted so far . He’s calling the shots , setting the pace in practice . Reportedly breaking into the scramble drill on called plays . And they are not scoring lots of TDs in practice . It’s not even the first preseason game and Denver media is speculating on FA that might help the offense .Russ spent most of the summer jetting around leaving Hackett to answer questions about it along with some of the players . As for the great line it gave up 40 sacks , 5 less then Seattle . Russ isn’t going to play in the first preseason game and who knows about the others .

As for my Hawks tanking they aren’t. It’s a rebuild because of Wilsons petulant BS but they can really speed up the rebuild Sept 12. They may wind up terrible but it won’t be for lack of trying .

[Aseahawkfan]

We will know soon . It’s been about as I predicted so far . He’s calling the shots , setting the pace in practice . Reportedly breaking into the scramble drill on called plays . And they are not scoring lots of TDs in practice . It’s not even the first preseason game and Denver media is speculating on FA that might help the offense .Russ spent most of the summer jetting around leaving Hackett to answer questions about it along with some of the players . As for the great line it gave up 40 sacks , 5 less then Seattle . Russ isn’t going to play in the first preseason game and who knows about the others .

As for my Hawks tanking they aren’t. It’s a rebuild because of Wilsons petulant BS but they can really speed up the rebuild Sept 12. They may wind up terrible but it won’t be for lack of trying .

I heard Penny is having a groin issue, but Walker is doing very well. If we don't have a run game, that's going to be rough.

[RiverDog]

I heard Penny is having a groin issue, but Walker is doing very well. If we don't have a run game, that's going to be rough.

Yes, you heard right. Penny is still having groin issues and will be held out of this Saturday's game with the Steelers. He probably wasn't going to see much action anyway and Pete, as usual, is painting a smiley face on the situation, but it's still a huge concern because Penny missed OTA's for what I assume is the same injury.

Rashaad Penny might not have played in the Seahawks’ first preseason game anyway, but he’s “feeling a little bit of groin tightness,” coach Pete Carroll said Thursday. Penny is not expected to play against the Steelers.

“We’re just taking care of him,” Carroll said, via Brady Henderson of ESPN.

Penny missed a lot of game action his first four seasons because of injuries, and he sat out some organized team activities this offeason with what Carroll described at the time as “a little hamstring thing.”

He has played 37 of a possible 65 games and has never played every game in a season. Penny played 14 of 16 games as a rookie in 2018.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... in-injury/

[Hawktawk]

It’s potentially a huge problem although he showed the last 6 he could stay on the field and I wonder if he’d be sitting if it were a regular season game . When he blows an acl or something I’ll worry . Walker 111 is the real deal although described as being smaller in stature than you would think but very fast . He’s dwarfed by Penny on the sidelines . It’s best if Penny us ready and Walker is a change of pace with a chance to eat into Pennys touches . To me it sounds like our secondary is the greatest concern right now . Oh well GO HAWKS!!

[RiverDog]

It’s potentially a huge problem although he showed the last 6 he could stay on the field and I wonder if he’d be sitting if it were a regular season game . When he blows an acl or something I’ll worry . Walker 111 is the real deal although described as being smaller in stature than you would think but very fast . He’s dwarfed by Penny on the sidelines . It’s best if Penny us ready and Walker is a change of pace with a chance to eat into Pennys touches . To me it sounds like our secondary is the greatest concern right now . Oh well GO HAWKS!!

Yeah, the secondary is a big issue, but so is the offensive line...and our RB situation, and our QB situation...and so on. Wide receiver, tight end, and linebacking are about the only position groups that don't have major concerns.

As far as Penny goes, the most surprising thing about that article is that he hasn't played in a single preseason game in his entire career, and likely won't this year, too.

Oh, well, GO HAWKS!

[Hawktawk]

If he can average 6.7 a carry I don’t care if he ever plays in a preseason game . His injury and coaches decision stunted career had still produced a career 5.6 yard per carry average . It’s an argument I hope to win as a healthy penny is a top 5 back minimum . I agree we need to run but if we can we’re going to make a joke out if preseason prognostications . It’s key . I don’t think either Geno or Lock have the juice to fill the void if we aren’t running an honestly Russ wasn’t either last year . We must run

[RiverDog]

If he can average 6.7 a carry I don’t care if he ever plays in a preseason game . His injury and coaches decision stunted career had still produced a career 5.6 yard per carry average . It’s an argument I hope to win as a healthy penny is a top 5 back minimum . I agree we need to run but if we can we’re going to make a joke out if preseason prognostications . It’s key . I don’t think either Geno or Lock have the juice to fill the void if we aren’t running an honestly Russ wasn’t either last year . We must run

First of all, let's get the record straight. Penny averaged 6.3 YPG in 2021. Still very good, but let's not get too carried away.

Secondly, a 6.3 average won't do much for us if he only plays in 6-7 games. I wanna see a 1200+ yard rushing performance fitting of the top 5 back you're touting him as.

And lastly, the reason I mentioned no preseason appearances in 4 years, likely 5 years, is because I've never heard of a roster player having never been on the field in the preseason since he joined the team. It speaks to his unavailability and/or coaches being afraid he'll get injured.

[Hawktawk]

All I ever said of Penny is IF HEALTHY he’s top 5 minimum . And my 6.7 number is his number as a STARTER in his six career starts . 6 starts isn’t his fault . Partly due to a horrific injury and partly due to a damn fine back in front of him that checked all the Carroll boxes . Pete didn’t understand the guy on the bench could house it any play . 3 games before his devastating knee injury Penny went for 138 on 11 carries with an explosive 50 yard house call exploding the safety without missing a step . Back to the pine he went until injured on a pass play 15 yards downfield on his first touch of the game and if the guy didn’t chop his knee he’s still running imo . I think he will pay off big time this year, make fools of those who said he didn’t have first round talent . I hope there aren’t fans rooting for him to fail so they can win an argument .
GO HAWKS!

[RiverDog]

All I ever said of Penny is IF HEALTHY he’s top 5 minimum . And my 6.7 number is his number as a STARTER in his six career starts . 6 starts isn’t his fault . Partly due to a horrific injury and partly due to a damn fine back in front of him that checked all the Carroll boxes . Pete didn’t understand the guy on the bench could house it any play . 3 games before his devastating knee injury Penny went for 138 on 11 carries with an explosive 50 yard house call exploding the safety without missing a step . Back to the pine he went until injured on a pass play 15 yards downfield on his first touch of the game and if the guy didn’t chop his knee he’s still running imo . I think he will pay off big time this year, make fools of those who said he didn’t have first round talent . I hope there aren’t fans rooting for him to fail so they can win an argument .
GO HAWKS!

It isn't Penny's fault that he's only started 6 games? Uh huh. Got it!

The only stat that tracks with starts that I know of is team W/L, as in a QB's record as a starter. It doesn't generally apply to other positions. But if it makes Penny look better and feeds into your narrative, then by all means, go for it.

[Hawktawk]

All I ever said of Penny is IF HEALTHY he’s top 5 minimum . And my 6.7 number is his number as a STARTER in his six career starts . 6 starts isn’t his fault . Partly due to a horrific injury and partly due to a damn fine back in front of him that checked all the Carroll boxes . Pete didn’t understand the guy on the bench could house it any play . 3 games before his devastating knee injury Penny went for 138 on 11 carries with an explosive 50 yard house call exploding the safety without missing a step . Back to the pine he went until injured on a pass play 15 yards downfield on his first touch of the game and if the guy didn’t chop his knee he’s still running imo . I think he will pay off big time this year, make fools of those who said he didn’t have first round talent . I hope there aren’t fans rooting for him to fail so they can win an argument .
GO HAWKS!

“It isn't Penny's fault that he's only started 6 games? Uh huh. Got it!

The only stat that tracks with starts that I know of is team W/L, as in a QB's record as a starter. It doesn't generally apply to other positions. But if it makes Penny look better and feeds into your narrative, then by all means, go for it.[/quote]

I’m not sure what the hell that last comment means ? Team WL? Quarterbacks ? Huh? Got it ? You don’t got it .

All I ever said is he’s top 5 minimum if healthy . Jesus H man we know it’s been an issue . But tough to start when Chris Carson is ahead of you and your great but imperfect coach wasted your talent healthy .

I guess injuries are his fault ? You think a guy with a career 5.6 average over not a tiny nor large sample would have 6 starts in 4 seasons without a huge injury ? He’s supremely talented .

A 6.7 yard per carry average as a starter is ridiculous and would break every running back record for a single season if sustainable . Of course it’s probably not but the guy is a stud horse bell cow back with a 6.1 yards per carry average when given 10 or more carries a game FOR HIS CAREER. He said after last season it’s really hard for him to get going with a touch here and there . Spare me the sarcasm .

How about disputing my contentions . He was obviously talented enough to be taken where he was . Do you dispute this ? He is a great generational type runner when healthy in his too short sample . Agree or disagree ? If healthy he will be top 5 minimum no matter who starts on the line . He’s pretty damn unique , fastest guy on the field at 235 , great patience and vision , more slippery then juky going north south asap . extremely powerful to break arm tackles .

Not sure what kind of fan would root again against penny. Nicest kid ever . Took less to return . Like he said “ I don’t try to get hurt “ he’s described himself as having a chip on his shoulder . I guess we will see . It’s about health , not ability . If he’s healthy that alone will make the pundits look like fools . He’s that big a difference maker .

[c_hawkbob]

Dude, NO ONE is rooting against Penny! Commenting on his injury history does not mean you are wanting it to continue!

Your blind adulation of Penny is rivalled in it's extremity only by your voracious attacks on Russ. Find yourself some middle ground and take a breath already.

[Aseahawkfan]

Everyone was hoping Penny was the next Marshawn when he was first drafted. He was a big dude with speed. He just couldn't take the NFL beating for years. It showed why Marshawn was Marshawn and why it's so hard to be like him. He had elite durability you don't see in many RBs.

Penny has a lot of prove. But no one would be unhappy if Penny blows up after year 4. It don't happen very often, but we'd all love to see it.

[RiverDog]

I guess injuries are his fault ?

The knee injury likely was a random event, but these muscle pulls and strains can be the result of a lack of conditioning. If you're out of shape, you're more likely to experience groin/hamstring injuries, and there have been some whispers about his being out of shape as his weight has been on a yo-yo, from 220 to 240, and he even admitted to not working hard during the offseason. From an article published in April of 2021:

Penny admitted to not taking his offseason “too serious” and showed up for Seattle’s offseason program out of shape and overweight. That’s when he was told to get his act together.

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/sea ... -vs-eagles

Now, here we are again, and Penny is experiencing muscle pulls/strains. Why wouldn't a reasonable person question his work ethic?

In any event, like every other player, he's responsible for his own health, whether that be conditioning, style of play, or praying to the right deity.

Not sure what kind of fan would root again against penny.

Now where did you get the idea that I was rooting against Penny or any other player on our team? I'm a Seahawk fan who over the past 46 years has devoted a good part of his recreation budget following them. The idea that me or any other dedicated Hawk fan is rooting for a player of ours to fail is absurd. I just don't hold the same lofty opinion of him as you do.

[Hawktawk]

Why is an opinion “ if healthy he’s top 5 minimum , he was talented enough to be a first rounder “ over the top ?

I stand behind it 100%

As for condition he entered camp in the best shape of his career . Now he has “ tightness “ in his groin , not a strain or pull preventing Carroll from putting him in a meaningless preseason game . I know he put up 671 in 6 starts last year so let’s see when the games start counting . If he can’t get on the field Walker can . GO HAWKS