Hawktawk wrote:Quite an incredible tale if true, Ross offering him money to lose games and get Tua, trying to involve him in a tampering scheme involving Tom Brady and shunning him from then on when he left the meeting. He claims he interviewed for the Giants job 4 days AFTER being mistakenly congratulated by Belichick who was trying to contact Daboll who had already been decided on. He has the text. Claimed John Elway showed up still half drunk for an interview an hour late in 2019, clearly using him to satisfy the Rooney rule without taking him the least bit seriously.
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/brian-flore ... 56727.html
If this stuff is true its bad. I seem to recall a conversation about black' Monday becoming 2 less blacks Monday this year without a great rationale to fire either.
obiken wrote:The charges are true, the NFL has been heading toward this kind of crash and burn for a long time. One Black coach in the NFL, come on. I would have deep sixed PC in a heartbeat for a guy like Flores. Eric Bienemy, is long overdue for a job, and there are others. On the horizon is a class action lawsuit that will rock their world. I think they settle out of court on this one, and give him 10 million tax free dollars, pay attorneys fees and like River said, he will never coach again. Course I am one who thinks we are headed for a 2nd Civil war on race in this county. The place, Fulton County, Ga, the time, Nov 5, 2024, the reason, voter suppression in the South.
NorthHawk wrote:This is going to be an interesting investigation. I would expect Flores to be blackballed like Kaepernick was, but maybe things will change for the better for minority coaches.
Yeah, they've been trying to keep illegals from voting in Georgia.
But don't forget that there were statements made by Miami team officials around the time of Fores firing that he had not been very cooperative with administration and was not a "team" guy. As is usually the case, there are likely two sides to this story.
But don't forget that there were statements made by Miami team officials around the time of Fores firing that he had not been very cooperative with administration and was not a "team" guy. As is usually the case, there are likely two sides to this story.
Exactly, that seems to bear out Flores' version if anything.NorthHawk wrote:I'm interpreting that to mean (within the context of Flores version) that he wouldn't go along with tanking like Ross wanted.
It's easy to paint someone as not being a team player for not doing what the boss says even if it's not kosher or illegal.
RiverDog wrote:What I don't get is how the supposed order given to Flores to throw games has anything to do with racism. I agree that, if it's true, Flores would have a solid claim of an unjust termination, but not based on his race.
It doesn't, but it doesn't have to, it can just be an additional unsavory item.
It doesn't, but it doesn't have to, it can just be an additional unsavory item.
obiken wrote:It proves that the owner is an 80 year old wack job, and Flores integrity could not be bought for 1.7 million. I think it could end up being the bigger story CB, River.
c_hawkbob wrote:Especially with the NFL cozying up with gambling all of the sudden, the integrity of the game is more important than ever.
Especially with the NFL cozying up with gambling all of the sudden, the integrity of the game is more important than ever.
RiverDog wrote:
It's a very serious charge that if proven to be true, could result in prison sentences:
Stephen Ross, Jimmy Haslam could be prosecuted for violating the Sports Bribery Act
While appearing on Dan Abrams’s SiriusXM POTUS 124 show earlier in the hour, we discussed the possibility of a prosecutor convening a grand jury on the specific question of whether Dolphins owner Stephen Ross or Browns owner Jimmy Haslam bribed coaches and/or others to deliberately lose football games. Flores has accused Ross of offering $100,000 per loss; former Browns coach Hue Jackson has suggested that Haslam did something similar.
The Sports Bribery Act criminalizes such conduct. Under 18 U.S.C. § 224, “Whoever carries into effect, attempts to carry into effect, or conspires with any other person to carry into effect any scheme in commence to influence, in any way, by bribery any sporting contest, with knowledge of the purpose of such scheme is to influence by bribery that contests, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”
Based on the language of the statute, it doesn’t matter whether the offer is accepted. Liability arises if the person “carries into effect” the scheme or “attempts to carry into effect” the bribe. The mere offer of $100,000 to Flores, without more, would constitute a violation by Ross.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ibery-act/
trents wrote:This saga has now spread outside of the Dolphins organization. Now, former black head coach of the Browns, Hugh Jackson, has stated that ownership offered him money to lose games.
obiken wrote:River, you have two NFL coaches saying they were bribed to throw games. Sorry, that's evidence, moreover, the other other black coach says he has the evidence to back up his backing up of Flores. Where it gets more complex is these black coaches, forget the whole integrity thing, usually only get one shot to fail.
Hawktawk wrote:When I see a coach , now 2 making very similar accusations I believe them . Their stories in a way are almost too fantastic to be manufactured out of whole cloth . Surely the men understand their careers are in trouble , possibly at the assistant level . I put Culley in the same category , not that he’s said a word but such a raw deal . It’s ridiculous to say there’s no problem in a league where losing white coaches get multiple seasons and he didn’t . 1 black HC in a league with 70% black players . The most ever was 8 about 30% and that’s been a while ago . My guess is that Flores had seen and heard enough when the Belichick text hit his phone but the Giants held the interview 3 days later . He doesn’t strike me as a man who accepts being disrespected .
If Flores could get a fair number of assistant coaches that have been passed over for head coaching position, guys like Eric Bienemy, Byron Leftwich, etc, to sign on to a class action suit, then they might have a better chance of succeeding in court if they could establish a pattern of passing over qualified minority coaches. But it's incredibly difficult to prove on an individual basis that you were discriminated against.
If Flores could get a fair number of assistant coaches that have been passed over for head coaching position, guys like Eric Bienemy, Byron Leftwich, etc, to sign on to a class action suit, then they might have a better chance of succeeding in court if they could establish a pattern of passing over qualified minority coaches. But it's incredibly difficult to prove on an individual basis that you were discriminated against.
NorthHawk wrote:The coaches you mentioned are always expected to get a HC job in the future. Why would they torpedo that after working so hard to get to where they are today? Any coach that adds their name to this is putting in danger their future in coaching at the NFL level, so I wouldn't expect many more to add their name to the list.
But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen on a regular basis. What we are seeing is a glimpse of the sordid underbelly of the NFL and probably Professional Sports as we know it.
Obi, I don't care if there are a dozen coaches making the same accusation about their owners, it's not evidence that a judge could use to send a case to trial. They're going to have to produce some type of hard, physical evidence, such as a written offer or instruction on a text or email that's proven to have come from the owner or other individual representing the team, an eyewitness that can swear under oath that they heard them make the offer/instruction, etc.
Ask yourself why, despite the hundreds, if not thousands, of accusations of foul play in the 2020 election, that not a single one of those accusations ever got to trial. It's because there was no evidence.
I'm not saying that there wasn't a bribe or that Flores wasn't terminated because he is black. To the contrary, it's beginning to smell really bad and I suspect that they might be onto something. Where there's smoke, there's usually a fire. All I am saying is that in order to be successful in a court of law, he's going to have to produce some type of evidence besides his claim.
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