Sherman in trouble now

[c_hawkbob]

NFL cornerback Richard Sherman was booked at the Seattle Correctional Facility at 6:08 a.m. Pacific time on Wednesday on a charge of burglary domestic violence.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/richard-sh ... 54038.html

[Hawktawk]

Unreal. I would never honestly have expected something like this. For all his talk Sherman came across as a model citizen without as much as a peep of off field issues. Intelligent, highly educated. Dude was DENIED BAIL!!!!! it was something very bad.

Like ET I fear too many hits to the head. Sad end to a great potentially HOF (not any more) career.

[NorthHawk]

Domestic violence and apparently it's standard practice in King County to deny bail in DV cases.
The Police had to deploy the K9 unit so he's probably pretty sore, too.
He also crashed his car into a cement freeway barrier so the State Police are involved. He then
left on foot to the residence.

[TriCitySam]

Wow, always a big mouth, this isn't good anytime, but makes it unlikely he gets signed by anyone.

[RiverDog]

Wow, this sounds bad! I sure hope it's not true or that it's overblown. It would be a shame if Sherman's football career ended like this. Something like this could cost him a gold jacket.

[Hawktawk]

Wow, this sounds bad! I sure hope it's not true or that it's overblown. It would be a shame if Sherman's football career ended like this. Something like this could cost him a gold jacket.

It was my first thought. he was one of the most dominant corners in the league for nearly a decade but this is bad. He's an iconic person who would almost certainly have been given the benefit of the doubt. If hes not caught in the car there's no DUI but hit and run is worse. Whatever else had to be bad. Sad. I was kind of hoping for a reunion.

[yoder]

I really thought the guy was smarter than this. As HawkTalk said, could CTE be kicking in? What a shame, I was looking forward to him being a commentator or something.

[Rambo2014]

Same Ol Seahawks

Hall of Shame

[RiverDog]

If hes not caught in the car there's no DUI but hit and run is worse.

I wouldn't make the assumption that he's clear of a DUI just because he wasn't caught in the car. There's a lot of ways, such as finding his keys in the ignition, the fact that he left the scene could indicate a consciousness of guilt, piecing together security and photo intersection cameras, and so on, perfectly legal and appropriate avenues for a prosecutor to put two and two together and conclude that he was operating the vehicle at the time of the crash.

As a matter of fact, Sherman IS being investigated for a hit and run DUI:

Washington State Police told The Sun that they are set to transfer charges against Sherman after he was booked under "burglary domestic violence."

He is being investigated over a "DUI hit and run," state police said.

The NFL player, currently a free agent, was denied bail this morning.

https://www.the-sun.com/sport/3281706/r ... olence.%22

It's way too premature for us to be jumping to conclusions, but nevertheless, we'd be sticking our heads in the sand if we didn't recognize the seriousness of this event and what it could do to Sherman's reputation. So much for the commercials we've seen him appearing in recently.

[Aseahawkfan]

I was listening to the radio.

The DV charge is due to him damaging the door.

It sounds like Sherm lost his temper. He hasn't been formally charged yet.

We'll see how it plays out. Right now, sounds like he showed up pissed off, bang on a door, police showed up, he tried to ignore them, and has been taken in. No one I've heard is hurt other than him. So hopefully it stays that way and this isn't too bad for him.

[Hawktawk]

I find it interesting that the in laws called him in rather than allow him in the house . He gets inside it’s maybe not an arrest . He calls the car in stolen case closed . They can investigate all they want but if he’s not in the car drunk or detained immediately after they cannot necessarily prove dui. He’s in trouble because he screwed up big time and also because his wife’s parents ratted him out at 2 AM knowing the consequences . Something must be rotten in Denmark if they wouldn’t let their son in law in the house .

[Hawktawk]

I was listening to the radio.

The DV charge is due to him damaging the door.

It sounds like Sherm lost his temper. He hasn't been formally charged yet.

We'll see how it plays out. Right now, sounds like he showed up pissed off, bang on a door, police showed up, he tried to ignore them, and has been taken in. No one I've heard is hurt other than him. So hopefully it stays that way and this isn't too bad for him.

read an article saying troopers suffered “scrapes “ as well as Sherman . It’s not good . Imo his career is surely over .

[Aseahawkfan]

read an article saying troopers suffered “scrapes “ as well as Sherman . It’s not good . Imo his career is surely over .

His career is over? By NFL standards this is a minor infraction, so not sure what you're talking about.

You got Frank Clark rolling in a Lambo with an uzi. You have Greg Hardy choking his girlfriend on a bed full of assault rifles. You have Ray Rice punching his wife in an elevator on film. You got some RB I can't even remember his name decking a girl. Ray Lewis is called Murder Ray because he literally may have killed someone. You have guys who have killed someone in a DUI incident.

And you think this is bad? C'mon now, this is the NFL. By NFL standards given the available information, this is minor league stuff. If anything comes out worse, then we'll see.

[RiverDog]

His career is over? By NFL standards this is a minor infraction, so not sure what you're talking about.

You got Frank Clark rolling in a Lambo with an uzi. You have Greg Hardy choking his girlfriend on a bed full of assault rifles. You have Ray Rice punching his wife in an elevator on film. You got some RB I can't even remember his name decking a girl. Ray Lewis is called Murder Ray because he literally may have killed someone. You have guys who have killed someone in a DUI incident.

And you think this is bad? C'mon now, this is the NFL. By NFL standards given the available information, this is minor league stuff. If anything comes out worse, then we'll see.

The difference between Frank Clark and this incident with Sherman is that Clark has just one charge he's facing. If Sherman has just one charge, a smart attorney might be able to get him off. But there's a series of potential charges, each of which could be a felony, that Sherman is facing: Domestic violence-burglary, hit and run, DUI, resisting arrest, assaulting an officer. If he's found guilty of just one of those, his career is over and his admission to the HOF becomes problematic. As we all know, the NFL doesn't need a guilty verdict in order to discipline a player or keep them out of the HOF. It took a law abiding TO two years beyond his eligibility to get his gold jacket.

At this stage of his career combined with the fact that it's just days before the opening of training camp and he's still a free agent, it's hard to imagine him playing this season. If I had to bet, I'd say that we've seen the last of Richard Sherman in an NFL uniform.

Sherman is to appear before a judge tomorrow, so we should get an idea of just what he's facing. Stay tuned.

[Aseahawkfan]

If there were just one charge, a smart attorney could get him off. But there's a series of potential charges, each of which could be a felony, that Sherman is facing: Domestic violence-burglary, hit and run, DUI, resisting arrest, assaulting an officer. If he's found guilty of just one of those, his career is over and his admission to the HOF becomes problematic.

At this stage of his career combined with the fact that it's just days before the opening of training camp and he's still a free agent, it's hard to imagine him playing this season. If I had to bet, I'd say that we've seen the last of Richard Sherman in an NFL uniform.

Sherman is to appear before a judge tomorrow. Stay tuned.

This is a better argument. If it were the Sherman of even 5 years ago, this would be pretty minor. But the fact that he's 33 and unsigned, no one much wants a corner on the downside of his career with legal problems.

I doubt his admission to the HoF becomes problematic unless it is worse than we've heard. So far no one is hurt except him. It's a minor scuffle with some property damage. I still don't understand why your memories have suddenly lapsed when it comes to the NFL history of crime. This is as they say small potatoes on that list unless we find he hurt someone.

[RiverDog]

This is a better argument. If it were the Sherman of even 5 years ago, this would be pretty minor. But the fact that he's 33 and unsigned, no one much wants a corner on the downside of his career with legal problems.

I doubt his admission to the HoF becomes problematic unless it is worse than we've heard. So far no one is hurt except him. It's a minor scuffle with some property damage. I still don't understand why your memories have suddenly lapsed when it comes to the NFL history of crime. This is as they say small potatoes on that list unless we find he hurt someone.

Worse than what we've heard? Seems pretty minor? The police statements are alarming, and what we know for a fact is pretty damn bad. The fact that they didn't set bail means that they are considering felony charges. If it were minor, they would have let him out on his own recognizance. But he's staying in the pokey until he sees a judge sometime tomorrow. We should find out more then.

[Aseahawkfan]

Worse than what we've heard? Seems pretty minor? The police statements are alarming, and what we know for a fact is pretty damn bad. The fact that they didn't set bail means that they are considering felony charges. If it were minor, they would have let him out on his own recognizance. But he's staying in the pokey until he sees a judge sometime tomorrow. We should find out more then.

It seems minor in the NFL history of crime.

If you listen to the press conference by the police chief, he said the reason they did not set bail is the DV charge which is standard procedure for a DV charge. The DV charge is based on him damaging the door.

So far there is no one but Sherm physically hurt. He didn't hit a woman or assault anyone else. He beat on a door damaging it. He ran his car into a piece of property. He was drunk. I've heard of regular citizens with lesser lawyers doing worse and getting off with minimal trouble.

Until I hear worse, you and hawktawk are exaggerating. And you were giving Frank Clark more the benefit of the doubt for driving around in his lambo with an uzi.

Sorry, nothing I've heard so far is worth keeping him out of the Hall of Fame. It's like you've suddenly forgotten all the far worse crimes by NFL players and athletes over the year. We have had guys in the league who killed someone while driving under the influence. And you guys are writing him off like it's all over without even knowing more. Pretty weird.

[Stream Hawk]

The 911 call that was leaked was pretty sad. Sherman definitely has mental health problems. Extreme suicidal tendencies. I’m also impressed (or shocked) he could drink two bottles of hard alcohol. Not sure how he can recover from this, I just hope he gets to help and support he deserves. I know he’s a super sharp guy.

[obiken]

Yeah I think its bad. I never liked Sherm, I got tired of defending his infantile behavior but I never saw this one coming. I hope he can work out of it.

[jshawaii22]

The 911 call that was leaked was pretty sad. Sherman definitely has mental health problems. Extreme suicidal tendencies. I’m also impressed (or shocked) he could drink two bottles of hard alcohol. Not sure how he can recover from this, I just hope he gets to help and support he deserves. I know he’s a super sharp guy.

Where did you get "extreme suicidal tendencies" from? HE didn't admit it, it was his wife on the phone dealing with an idiot 911 operator, but accepting her story at face value may be true, but certainly that's not a given.

Here's my take so far. Some of the charges seem overblown, especially if this is HIS house and the family locked him out of his own home. Are they separated? Is there a TRO on him to not come near her? If not, banging on her door may be some type of DV, but certainly not a felony, even in Washington. Not sure about the drinking as this is his first arrest and I've never read anything about it, and those type of things usually make the news.
(unless we don't know). \
The damage was from his car to a concrete barrier. Not exactly massive and certainly his insurance will cover it. I'm not saying that something didn't happen, I wasn't there, but the charges themselves. I'll wager you'll see big reductions in those and yes, I'm sure a Stanford grad will have access to a good lawyer or two or three.

Looks like the Comish's Exempt List for him and probably 6 games under a contract before he could return if this plays out where he has to admit any of this. So, yes, his career is probably going to become a Coach at a HBCU in a few years.

[govandals]

Wow, I sure didn't imagine this was possible with Sherm.

3/4 of the original LOB has now had run ins with the law. Some major (Browner), some minor (Earl) and now this.

[RiverDog]

If you listen to the press conference by the police chief, he said the reason they did not set bail is the DV charge which is standard procedure for a DV charge. The DV charge is based on him damaging the door.

It's standard procedure to not set bail in a crime that is a possible felony. If all Sherman got arrested for was a misdemeanor, like a first time DUI, he would have been released on his own recognizance the next day.

So far there is no one but Sherm physically hurt. He didn't hit a woman or assault anyone else. He beat on a door damaging it. He ran his car into a piece of property. He was drunk. I've heard of regular citizens with lesser lawyers doing worse and getting off with minimal trouble.

The cop that Sherman was fighting with when he resisted arrest required medical treatment, but it was relatively minor and he was released. And yes, there's definitely the possibility that he'll get off on at least one charge, especially if his ex in-laws opt not to press charges on the DV-burglary accusation. But he's facing the possibility of having to fight a 3 headed monster, with the hit and run DUI and resisting arrest/assaulting an officer accusations.

I don't think that Sherman has a criminal record, so he might catch a break by being a first time offender. But the NFL is almost certainly going to hand down some type of discipline. What is already known is a clear violation of the code of conduct.

Until I hear worse, you and hawktawk are exaggerating. And you were giving Frank Clark more the benefit of the doubt for driving around in his lambo with an uzi.

Sorry, nothing I've heard so far is worth keeping him out of the Hall of Fame. It's like you've suddenly forgotten all the far worse crimes by NFL players and athletes over the year. We have had guys in the league who killed someone while driving under the influence. And you guys are writing him off like it's all over without even knowing more. Pretty weird.

I'm not saying that this will keep him out of the HOF, but it certainly has the potential to. The accusations are very serious. We'll know a little more later today when he appears before a judge.

[RiverDog]

Here's a few more details that have leaked out:

The wife of Richard Sherman said in a 911 call that the star NFL cornerback had been drinking and was threatening to harm himself. "He’s trying to leave now. He’s being aggressive. He’s wrestling with my uncle," she told the dispatcher. "He’s threatening to kill himself. He’s sent text messages to people saying he’s going to hang himself." "He’s said that if the police show up, he’ll try to fight them," she said.

Moss (Sherman's wife) said that Sherman had drank two bottles of hard liquor and was trying to leave in his car, but she had shut off the gate.

A second 911 call by Moss' uncle followed the progress of Sherman as he apparently left in one car and she followed him. The uncle was in a different car.

Sherman was arrested later Wednesday on suspicion of "Burglary Domestic Violence," as well as charges of resisting arrest and malicious mischief, the Washington State Patrol confirmed to USA TODAY Sports.

Redmond Police Chief Darrell Lowe said the domestic violence portion of the case stemmed from the house belonging to Sherman's in-laws.

The Washington State Patrol is also investigating Sherman as part of a separate incident in which he is alleged to have struck a cement barrier before arriving at the residence, police said in the statement. Troopers obtained a warrant for a blood draw after observing signs of possible impairment, police told USA TODAY Sports.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/91 ... uxbndlbing

If Sherman drank as much as is being reported, then his BAC would almost certainly put him over the .15 threshold and elevate the penalties.

[TriCitySam]

Not good, according to reports there was an attempted intervention by some friends recently. So obviously needs some help.

[RiverDog]

Some more information regarding Sherman's attempted break-in at his in laws and the hit-and-run DUI, and it's beginning to sound worse:

Richard Sherman’s father-in-law armed himself with a handgun and fired pepper spray at the NFL cornerback to protect his family as Sherman tried to bust in the door of his in-laws’ home, according to a police statement obtained by the Associated Press.

According to the police report, which had not been made public, Sherman’s father-in-law, Raymond Moss, told investigators that the former Seattle Seahawks and San Francisco 49ers star partially broke in the door by repeatedly ramming it with his shoulder. Sherman called out, “Come through, Ray!” in a hostile and threatening tone, Moss said.

“The family began to yell in fear,” Moss told police. “I used pepper spray on Sherman’s face through the partially opened door as he was still banging and attempting to gain entry. I told him to stop. I armed myself with my handgun at this time fearing for the safety of myself and my family.”

In February, King County prosecutors and the sheriff obtained an “extreme risk protection order” for Sherman, which barred him from having guns after a judge determined he posed a danger to himself or others. Details of the case were sealed, and it was not immediately clear if any weapons had been seized from him.

Shortly before 1:30 a.m. Wednesday, the Washington State Patrol received a 911 call from a construction crew working along a freeway east of Seattle. The caller said an apparently intoxicated driver had entered the closed construction zone. As the vehicle left the area, it struck a barricade, causing significant damage on the driver’s side, Patrol Capt. Ron Mead told reporters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/fa ... uxbndlbing

The part where "an apparently intoxicated driver had entered a closed construction zone" could be significant. There has been some very recent deaths of construction workers killed on the job here in Washington where impaired motorists have driven through construction zones. As most of us know, traffic penalties double when violations occur in these areas. My guess is that at the fact that the hit-and-run occurred inside a closed construction zone would make a judge less likely to give a defendant a break.

In addition, the "extreme risk protection order" seems like a pretty big red flag and might help explain why the Hawks have been reluctant to re-sign Sherman.

[Aseahawkfan]

How did the Legion of Boom end up like this? Only Kam is staying clean in retirement.

Browner is in jail.

Earl is divorced, had some legal trouble, and is out of the league at a young age.

Now Sherm is crumbling under the pressure.

It's damn sad.

[TriCitySam]

How did the Legion of Boom end up like this? Only Kam is staying clean in retirement.

Browner is in jail.

Earl is divorced, had some legal trouble, and is out of the league at a young age.

Now Sherm is crumbling under the pressure.

It's damn sad.

Well, I have absolutely NO idea about the cause....but some of the stuff out there, steroids for example, that athletes take cause anger issues. Make you wonder

[c_hawkbob]

Well the felony burglary domestic violence charge was dismissed and he was released today. He's now got 4 misdemeanors left to account for: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2 ... 975410002/

[RiverDog]

Well the felony burglary domestic violence charge was dismissed and he was released today. He's now got 4 misdemeanors left to account for: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2 ... 975410002/

He also has the hit-and-run DUI to deal with, which is a separate incident from the DV charge. From the same link:

The Washington State Patrol is also investigating Sherman as part of a separate incident in which he is alleged to have struck a cement barrier before arriving at the residence, police said in the statement. Troopers obtained a warrant for a blood draw after observing signs of possible impairment, police told USA TODAY Sports."

IMO that's the most serious charge, and I simply don't know enough about WA law as it relates to DUI's. What does it take to elevate a DUI to a felony crime? Test above twice the legal limit? Leaving the scene of an accident? Does the fact that it happened in a closed construction zone make a difference? Could he be charged with vehicular assault if there were workers nearby? Lots of honest questions that I don't have an answer for.

The toxicology report will take several weeks, so we'll have to wait a bit.

[c_hawkbob]

I know, I read the article too. but the big one was the felony, that went away today, that's the big news.

[RiverDog]

I know, I read the article too. but the big one was the felony, that went away today, that's the big news.

That's true, but can he be charged with a felony for the hit-and-run DUI? Honest question.

There are various cases in which a DUI is considered to be felony crime. In certain states, the blood alcohol content that an individual has may play a role as to how the DUI is charged. In such case, a felony DUI may be levied if the BAC is double the legal limit.

And here's another twist:

An aggravated DUI is a felonious offense in Washington. Generally, this involves DUI and committing a felony with a vehicle, hit and run, vehicular homicide, and vehicular manslaughter. Other aggravating factors include DUI in a school zone and attempting to elude a police officer.

Plus it happened in a closed construction zone. Could that be considered an aggravating factor as it is in a school zone?

[jshawaii22]

Police seem to have a tendency to 'overcharge' in order to hold someone. In Sherman's case, probably because of the 911 call, even though like I said, there was only HER story at the time. Obviously mostly BS as he wasn't held for bail OR sent to a hospital on suicide watch. Have we heard from Sherman yet?

[RiverDog]

Police seem to have a tendency to 'overcharge' in order to hold someone. In Sherman's case, probably because of the 911 call, even though like I said, there was only HER story at the time. Obviously mostly BS as he wasn't held for bail OR sent to a hospital on suicide watch. Have we heard from Sherman yet?

The initial police reports and 911 calls were alarming. There's also the possibility that Sherman's ex in-laws were unwilling to testify against Sherman, which could have influenced the prosecutor's decision not to file charges. Given what we know, I have no problems with the police response. Their reaction is always going to be to toss someone in jail and let the prosecutor sort things out later. They'll always error on the side of safety.

[RiverDog]

There's a few more details about Sherman's court appearance that might have escaped our attention:

King County District Court Judge Fa’amomoi Masaniai found probable cause that Sherman committed criminal trespassing, malicious mischief, driving under the influence and resisting arrest. Prosecutors did not ask the judge for a finding on a felony residential burglary allegation for which he was initially booked. They have not yet filed charges.

Masaniai declined to set $10,000 bail as prosecutors requested. The judge called Sherman, who did not attend the hearing, a “pillar of the community” and noted that it was presumed he would be released because this was his first arrest. He ordered that Sherman not have contact with his father-in-law and that he not use alcohol or nonprescription drugs.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/15/ ... hout-bail/

The way I read that, the prosecutors may still charge Sherman with a felony, that the only thing that happened yesterday was that the judge released him without bail and took Sherman for his word that he'd appear in court at a later date should the prosecutors decide to file against him. The charges were not dismissed.

[c_hawkbob]

Just watched the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APUinN6bJlI&t=12s

A couple observations;

1 - there's obviously a backstory here we know nothing about, if this is his wife's parents house and she's backing him up and even the parents aren't pressing charges it would seem a family matter that may well be none of our business.

2 - What kind of idiot would you have to be to actually come through that door with him acting like that on the other side?! Ray did well to arm himself and keep the door between them.

3 - I want that door on my house!

[RiverDog]

Just watched the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APUinN6bJlI&t=12s

A couple observations;

1 - there's obviously a backstory here we know nothing about, if this is his wife's parents house and she's backing him up and even the parents aren't pressing charges it would seem a family matter that may well be none of our business.

2 - What kind of idiot would you have to be to actually come through that door with him acting like that on the other side?! Ray did well to arm himself and keep the door between them.

3 - I want that door on my house!

Agreed on all 3 counts, especially your third point!

I just heard on TV that the prosecution is set to file charges today, so stay tuned. Does the fact that they asked for bail but were denied an indication that they intend to charge him with a felony? I guess we'll find out. Hit-and-run DUI will likely take several more weeks until the toxicology report comes back.

I'm wondering how much of this that the Hawks were aware of and if it influenced their decision not to bring him back. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that the court order that was served on Sherman back in February is part of the public record, but the fact that he was going to a counselor and on anti depressants is likely private and protected by HIPPA, at least until it comes time to submit to a physical.

This could have ended much, much worse than it did. With his FIL armed, would he have shot Sherman had he been able to break down the door? Suppose Sherman hit and killed a construction worker when he drove into a closed construction zone? Regardless of what kind of charges, if any, Sherman ends up facing, he literally dodged a bullet in this incident.

[RiverDog]

Sherman has come out with a statement about the incident:

“I am deeply remorseful for my actions on Tuesday night,” Sherman wrote. “I behaved in a manner I am not proud of. I have been dealing with some personal challenges over the last several months, but that is not an excuse for how I acted. The importance of mental and emotional health is extremely real and I vow to get the help I need. I appreciate all of the people who have reached out in support of me and my family, including our community here in Seattle. I am grateful to have such an amazing wife, family and support system to lean on during this time.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ri ... uxbndlbing

They've also filed 5 criminal charges against him, all are misdemeanors. They include driving while under the influence, reckless endangerment of roadway workers, resisting arrest, criminal trespass in the second degree and malicious mischief in the third degree.

[Hawktawk]

Sherman has come out with a statement about the incident:

“I am deeply remorseful for my actions on Tuesday night,” Sherman wrote. “I behaved in a manner I am not proud of. I have been dealing with some personal challenges over the last several months, but that is not an excuse for how I acted. The importance of mental and emotional health is extremely real and I vow to get the help I need. I appreciate all of the people who have reached out in support of me and my family, including our community here in Seattle. I am grateful to have such an amazing wife, family and support system to lean on during this time.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ri ... uxbndlbing

They've also filed 5 criminal charges against him, all are misdemeanors. They include driving while under the influence, reckless endangerment of roadway workers, resisting arrest, criminal trespass in the second degree and malicious mischief in the third degree.

Well I got to say must be nice to be a pro athlete getting popped in your home town. "pillar of the community" lol. having run afoul of the law for drinking and driving years ago I can say i was compliant and honest to a fault,. polite, calm etc. When i was transported my cuffs were cranked so tight My left hand was numb for 4 months. I told the cop it was too tight and he laughed at me. I had to post bail to even be released from jail and I got the book thrown at me. No wreck, no bad driving. No assault on anyone. My wife had stumbled walking to the car and someone picked up a phone and called and a cop followed me till he caught me touching exactly a quarter inch of the turn lane line on a deserted street.

So this guy drinks 2 fifths, crashed his car and leaves it, threatens his family and fights with cops injuring 2 of them albeit slightly but hey has a pillar of the community, no bail, no felonies. HIs order not to drink or use drugs ,is he being monitored? Don't misunderstand, I'm sad for Sherman and ET and so many of these guys who are seemingly losing their minds. Anyone who can put away 2 fifths and be conscious much less able to walk and sort of drive is a serious raging alcoholic. Sad. My point about his career being over due to these offenses was misconstrued. It isn't what he did. Its when he did it, at the tail end of his career, injury prone and not the same guy. I get the Greg Hardy thing although has finally gone. Asea mentioned Ray Rice, after he punched his wife after she spit on him and slapped him he never plaid another down in the NFL. Tail end of career. If you can still play you can do damn near anything. So I wonder if Sherman comes to Jesus does JS take a flyer on him on a prove it deal so hes around for the stretch run?

[curmudgeon]

The justice system in America. Ain’t it grand?…..

[RiverDog]

Well I got to say must be nice to be a pro athlete getting popped in your home town. "pillar of the community" lol. having run afoul of the law for drinking and driving years ago I can say i was compliant and honest to a fault,. polite, calm etc. When i was transported my cuffs were cranked so tight My left hand was numb for 4 months. I told the cop it was too tight and he laughed at me. I had to post bail to even be released from jail and I got the book thrown at me. No wreck, no bad driving. No assault on anyone. My wife had stumbled walking to the car and someone picked up a phone and called and a cop followed me till he caught me touching exactly a quarter inch of the turn lane line on a deserted street.

So this guy drinks 2 fifths, crashed his car and leaves it, threatens his family and fights with cops injuring 2 of them albeit slightly but hey has a pillar of the community, no bail, no felonies. HIs order not to drink or use drugs ,is he being monitored? Don't misunderstand, I'm sad for Sherman and ET and so many of these guys who are seemingly losing their minds. Anyone who can put away 2 fifths and be conscious much less able to walk and sort of drive is a serious raging alcoholic. Sad. My point about his career being over due to these offenses was misconstrued. It isn't what he did. Its when he did it, at the tail end of his career, injury prone and not the same guy. I get the Greg Hardy thing although has finally gone. Asea mentioned Ray Rice, after he punched his wife after she spit on him and slapped him he never plaid another down in the NFL. Tail end of career. If you can still play you can do damn near anything. So I wonder if Sherman comes to Jesus does JS take a flyer on him on a prove it deal so hes around for the stretch run?

I appreciate your sharing your personal experiences with us, and after hearing what you went through, I don't blame you a bit for feeling as you do.

We don't know how much Sherman had to drink. Personally, I doubt that Sherman had as much to drink as his wife said he had. He would have passed out at some point rather than aggressively trying to break down a door. But we'll find out when the toxicology report comes out, if it's something that they make public.

I don't have a problem at all with not making him post bail. As well known as his face is, he's not going to get very far if he decides to become a fugitive. Besides, $10K isn't going to keep a multi millionaire from going anywhere.

IMO we've seen the last of Richard Sherman in an NFL uniform let alone wearing blue and green. He's going to end up with at least a 6 game suspension. Zeke Elliott and Jarran Reed got 6 games and they weren't even charged with a crime. Sherman has 5 criminal charges that have been filed against him. I'd be very surprised if Sherm's suspension is less than 8 games. That pretty much wipes out 2021, and he turns 34 next March.

As far as not facing any felony charges, I don't know enough about precedent to offer an opinion as to whether or not he was treated consistent with other first time offenders. Plus he might not be out of the woods yet. If that toxicology report shows that he had over twice the legal limit, it could be considered aggravated circumstances that might elevate the charges to a felony. Once again, I don't know if that's the case here or not, but some of the research I've done indicates that it's happened before in other states. Plus the WSP is still investigating the DUI hit-and-run as a separate incident.

As far as the judge's comments about Sherman being a "pillar of the community", that was just window dressing, although I agree that he probably shouldn't have said it.