Ram Game Thurs

[obiken]

I had this as a certain loss, we have not played well against the Rams over the years, and Mathews has always wanted to hurt RW! However, I see this now as a winnable game. Rams have no running game, and their defense is not what it was last year. Yeah the Rams will still win, but its not the walkover I thought it would be. I think we could steal one here.

[RiverDog]

Actually we haven't played that badly against the Rams in the past few years. We had one really bad game when we split with them in 2017 and even though they swept us last season, we only lost to them by a combined 7 points. In this game, I not only think we have a chance, rather we should be favored and I would be disappointed in a loss. The Rams are not the class of the league last year and I don't think they win the division.

Jared Goff does not handle pressure well, and they've had some problems protecting him. The 12th man will be out in full throat and with guys like Ziggy and Clowney in the lineup together, we might be able to get another defensive TD. I saw a stat showing that during the Pete Carroll era, we're 18-0 when we get a pick 6.

[Rambo2014]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Break out the cryin towels kids

[c_hawkbob]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Break out the cryin towels kids

There there, it'll be alright, just wipe on your Mommy's blouse like always.

[Rambo2014]

We had a down day but still put up 40. We need less than that. RW has nightmares about Donald and Matthews.

After that beat down you then have to get another one in Cleveland.

Niners appear tough but we will overtake them soon

[obiken]

There there, it'll be alright, just wipe on your Mommy's blouse like always.

I got that punk on block Bob, but I am glad you posted that one!!

[obiken]

Actually we haven't played that badly against the Rams in the past few years. We had one really bad game when we split with them in 2017 and even though they swept us last season, we only lost to them by a combined 7 points. In this game, I not only think we have a chance, rather we should be favored and I would be disappointed in a loss. The Rams are not the class of the league last year and I don't think they win the division.
Jared Goff does not handle pressure well, and they've had some problems protecting him. The 12th man will be out in full throat and with guys like Ziggy and Clowney in the lineup together, we might be able to get another defensive TD. I saw a stat showing that during the Pete Carroll era, we're 18-0 when we get a pick 6.

He threw the ball 68 times Riv, 3rd most of all time, Yeah they got perimeter players that still make them dangerous, but if CC and get the ground yardage he got Sunday we are home.

[Uppercut]

Anyone hear if they will be wearing the yellow highlighter uni's?

[govandals]

Anyone hear if they will be wearing the yellow highlighter uni's?

Yes, they will be in Action Green. I call it Nuclear Puke

[Rambo2014]

Wow was watching some stuff on the NFL channel and shows Arron Donald lives in Wilsons head. More sack on Wilson than any other QB.

This will be like taking candy from a baby

[Hawktawk]

Wow was watching some stuff on the NFL channel and shows Arron Donald lives in Wilsons head. More sack on Wilson than any other QB.

This will be like taking candy from a baby

Aaron Donald blows this year. Maybe he got off the roids.

Keep whistling in the graveyard Ramblo, your boy was part of giving up 55 points at home 5 days ago. Imagine what a real QB will do to you. Don't forget to come get your crow afterwards OK?

[obiken]

I blocked Dumbo. I wish they would burn the piss out of those Nuked Green unis.

[Hawktawk]

I blocked Dumbo. I wish they would burn the piss out of those Nuked Green unis.

I dont block anyone. We've done OK with those unis too?

[obiken]

I dont block anyone. We've done OK with those unis too?

I just got tired of his obnoxious crap. It would be like one of us going to a Ram site and pooping on it. They are still ugly, we need to deep six them!

[jshawaii22]

Russell is playing like he wants to be considered for the MVP this year. Pass to Lockett.. it looked like he was out by 5 yards and the pass to DJ, setup by the run game. They came to play tonight and no matter how bad the OLine looks, Russell has escaped it so far.

[Oly]

I am all for the increased focus on player safety, but what is Ansah supposed to do there? So if you're pushed from the side/behind, you have to give up on the play? It's ridiculous.

[Aseahawkfan]

Defense is sucking again. Man, they are not good. I knew that tight point differentiation was a clear sign of a poor defense given the offense is putting up points.

[Oly]

I love that our QB is Russ.

[Aseahawkfan]

Our defense is so terrible now. It's hard to watch. How do you go from one of the greatest defenses in history that smeared the top offense ever into the ground, but now can't even keep a score reasonable at home.

[RiverDog]

I am all for the increased focus on player safety, but what is Ansah supposed to do there? So if you're pushed from the side/behind, you have to give up on the play? It's ridiculous.

Plus the contact was closer to Goff's waist than it was his knees. Horrible call.

[Aseahawkfan]

We can't even tackle well any more.

Terrible defense. Wide open wrs.

[RiverDog]

Yea, but the offense has a chance to win this one.

[Aseahawkfan]

Now we need the defense to prevent a field goal. Hah.

[jshawaii22]

That's a INTERCEPTION! White gloves tell the story. What a great game this is! Now hang it up on Carson and Russell one first down to end it.

[jshawaii22]

Wide Right... that is all!

[Aseahawkfan]

Unbelievable. Sometimes luck overcomes incompetence.

Russ played a hell of a game. I imagine Idhawkman will find some criticism of Russ like not running on the field fast enough. 151 Qb rating isn't enough.

[RiverDog]

Unbelievable. Sometimes luck overcomes incompetence.

Russ played a hell of a game. I imagine Idhawkman will find some criticism of Russ like not running on the field fast enough. 151 Qb rating isn't enough.

10-4. Outside of one or two inaccurate passes and an ill advised pitch that he got away with, there's not much to contest Anthony's typical spin.

[trents]

Good win. Sometimes you need lady luck's help and tonight that was the difference. Run game looked good again tonight and against what has been a top team defensively, though maybe not as strong as last year.

Lack of a pass rush on the Hawk's side continues to be a concern and baffles me.

[obiken]

Russell is playing like he wants to be considered for the MVP this year. Pass to Lockett.. it looked like he was out by 5 yards and the pass to DJ, setup by the run game. They came to play tonight and no matter how bad the OLine looks, Russell has escaped it so far.

MVP is all RW lacks to be a First Ballot HOFamer. Come on as River would tell you, John Brodie won the MVP in 70, and he was no RW.

[obiken]

Good win. Sometimes you need lady luck's help and tonight that was the difference. Run game looked good again tonight and against what has been a top team defensively, though maybe not as strong as last year.

Lack of a pass rush on the Hawk's side continues to be a concern and baffles me.

The Rams were lucky too, we hit that FG before the half and they would have been chasing us all game long. The Rams are in trouble, their defense really sucks. RW had 4 td passes and our offense is not that good. We will see. Greatest pick by Thompson I have ever seen! The catch? What can you say.

[RiverDog]

Great game to watch, one of those games where you hurry back from a potty break. One of the take-aways I took from this game is that our short yardage offense needs work. IMO Pete doesn't have confidence in them to get a yard and at the end of the first half, opted for a long range FG try instead. Usually he'll take that gamble. Later on, in a similar short yardage situation with the game on the line, we get stuffed. Perhaps not having Fluker in there made a difference.

Glad to see that Carson appears to have shaken off the fumbleitus he's been afflicted with in the first 3 games. Back-to-back 100+ yard games without putting the ball on the ground.

Russell played a great game, but damn he takes some very ill advised risks on some of those laterals. Nevertheless, he's off to the best start for a Seahawk quarterback in the history of our franchise, 5 games, 4 wins, no picks. The Lockett TD catch was half incredible footwork by Lockett, pure luck for Russell as I'm pretty sure he just wanted to get rid of the ball.

Even though the announcers supported the call, I thought that McVay's decision to go for 2 was ill advised. There was 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and it was not a low scoring, defensive battle, so one had to have assumed that there would be multiple scoring opportunities for both teams. Their missing that conversion was the difference in the game.

Good timing on our mini bye as it's before we have to travel back to the east coast to play the Brownies. We're 4-1 and I said I'd be happy if we went 5-3 in the first half, so I'm ecstatic with our performance so far.

[RiverDog]

Good win. Sometimes you need lady luck's help and tonight that was the difference. Run game looked good again tonight and against what has been a top team defensively, though maybe not as strong as last year.

Lack of a pass rush on the Hawk's side continues to be a concern and baffles me.

The Rams were lucky too, we hit that FG before the half and they would have been chasing us all game long. The Rams are in trouble, their defense really sucks. RW had 4 td passes and our offense is not that good. We will see. Greatest pick by Thompson I have ever seen! The catch? What can you say.

Yup. We hit that FG, or better yet, go for it and convert on 4th and one, they probably don't get their TD at the end of the half. The second half could have looked a lot different if the Rams were behind by 2 scores at the intermission rather than the single point that they were.

The Rams aren't the big kid on the block anymore like they have been the past couple of years. They've regressed. Their defense is susceptible and Goff doesn't handle pressure well, isn't close to being a top tier QB, more along the lines of a Mitch Turbisky than he is an Aaron Rodgers. IMO they're around the 4th or 5th best team in the conference.

[RiverDog]

Russell is playing like he wants to be considered for the MVP this year. Pass to Lockett.. it looked like he was out by 5 yards and the pass to DJ, setup by the run game. They came to play tonight and no matter how bad the OLine looks, Russell has escaped it so far.

MVP is all RW lacks to be a First Ballot HOFamer. Come on as River would tell you, John Brodie won the MVP in 70, and he was no RW.

Comparing any QB from a different era to any QB of the modern era is truly apples and oranges.

I couldn't give a rusty intercourse if Russell wins the MVP or is a first ballot HOF'er or not. I love him to death but except for the historical aspect, I'm 100% about the team vs. recognition for its individual components. I would gladly trade an HOF induction for Russell for another Lombardi.

Having said that, Russell is playing at an MVP level, but two things have to happen for him to expand his trophy case: He has to maintain his fast start through 16 games and we have to be one of the best teams in the conference, by earning a first round bye for him to qualify. And you're right, he's going to need at least a league MVP, probably as SB MVP as well if he's to get into the HOF on the first ballot. Quarterback is more of a statistical/award position, and those seem to be the qualifiers.

But let's not get too preoccupied with Russell's performance. The team as a whole is playing well as we're finding ways to win, but we have some major work to do, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, before we can call ourselves SB contenders. That was the first really good team we've beaten this season, and there's a lot more of them left on the docket.

[jshawaii22]

Last nights unsung hero is Jamarco Jones. If you're not aware, he played out of position for most of the game replacing a light pole.. I mean DJ Fluker at right guard and didn't have any penalties against one of the best pass rush teams in the league.

[Aseahawkfan]

Comparing any QB from a different era to any QB of the modern era is truly apples and oranges.

I couldn't give a rusty intercourse if Russell wins the MVP or is a first ballot HOF'er or not. I love him to death but except for the historical aspect, I'm 100% about the team vs. recognition for its individual components. I would gladly trade an HOF induction for Russell for another Lombardi.

Having said that, Russell is playing at an MVP level, but two things have to happen for him to expand his trophy case: He has to maintain his fast start through 16 games and we have to be one of the best teams in the conference, by earning a first round bye for him to qualify. And you're right, he's going to need at least a league MVP, probably as SB MVP as well if he's to get into the HOF on the first ballot. Quarterback is more of a statistical/award position, and those seem to be the qualifiers.

But let's not get too preoccupied with Russell's performance. The team as a whole is playing well as we're finding ways to win, but we have some major work to do, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, before we can call ourselves SB contenders. That was the first really good team we've beaten this season, and there's a lot more of them left on the docket.

Not true. All Russell has to do is maintain this level of performance throughout his career and he will be first ballot without an MVP or another Super Bowl, though both would be nice. His statistics would place him with the best of all time with at least one Lombardi, probably the best mobile QB in history, and one of the most efficient and consistent.

Especially given Pete and John have been absolutely terrible at providing him with a line and good WR/TE weapons. Most HoF QBs had much better weapons at their disposal than Russell.

My only hope is Pete gets this defense built back up. That is the one thing Pete has kept up that has kept us competitive. But this defense is pretty bad, especially Pete's favorite part: the secondary.

I'll never quite understand why Seattle fans hold Russell to this strangely high bar for performance to enter the Hall when there are quite a few QBs in the Hall that haven't even performed as well as Russell to this point, much less been as consistently high performing throughout their career. Russell is extremely rare. I'd love to have folks show me other QBs performing as well as him as consistently as him that aren't 1st round Hall locks.

[RiverDog]

Not true. All Russell has to do is maintain this level of performance throughout his career and he will be first ballot without an MVP or another Super Bowl, though both would be nice. His statistics would place him with the best of all time with at least one Lombardi, probably the best mobile QB in history, and one of the most efficient and consistent.

Honest question: Can you name a HOF QB in the modern era that doesn't have either a league MVP or a SB MVP? I thought about Marino and Aikman but one had a league MVP, the other a SB MVP. Kurt Warner has both a SB MVP and a league MVP. The only QB I can think of is Warren Moon, who had a number of CFL individual awards to supplement his NFL resume. After all, it's the Professional Football Hall of Fame. Plus Moon was the first black QB to be inducted.

Without any disrespect to Russell or those that argue want to argue the opposite, I really think that he or any other HOF QB in this day and age of it being a quarterback's league is going to have to earn at least one of those two awards as a prerequisite to a gold jacket.

I will say this though: After 5 games, Russell has to be considered the favorite for the league MVP. He really is playing lights out so far this season and I can't think of another player that can equal what he's done so far this season.

[Aseahawkfan]

Honest question: Can you name a HOF QB in the modern era that doesn't have either a league MVP or a SB MVP? I thought about Marino and Aikman but one had a league MVP, the other a SB MVP. Kurt Warner has both a SB MVP and a league MVP. The only QB I can think of is Warren Moon, who had a number of CFL individual awards to supplement his NFL resume. After all, it's the Professional Football Hall of Fame. Plus Moon was the first black QB to be inducted.

Without any disrespect to Russell or those that argue want to argue the opposite, I really think that he or any other HOF QB in this day and age of it being a quarterback's league is going to have to earn at least one of those two awards as a prerequisite to a gold jacket.

I will say this though: After 5 games, Russell has to be considered the favorite for the league MVP. He really is playing lights out so far this season and I can't think of another player that can equal what he's done so far this season.

What all those players had was a uniquely successful career that was a combination of stats, team success, and individual success. I'm saying that if Russell continues on just as he is, his aggregate stats will be First Ballot Hall of Fame worthy even if he gets overlooked for an MVP or Super Bowl MVP for reasons beyond his control like a having an elite defense behind his back for his first Super Bowl that tore apart Denver or playing in a run first offense with a low volume passing attack that didn't attract the flashy stats that lead to an MVP. Once they look at his complete career if he continues on just as he is right now, you will see him as a first ballot Hall of Famer. You can mark my words on that and call me out if I'm wrong.

Russell gets overshadowed by all the Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady grandstanding. He plays on a team that doesn't get much national talk. He plays in a run first offense. He also plays on a team that hasn't kept him surrounded with high quality receiving weapons and he's been told the entire time to keep the offense on track and keep us winning. That's what he has done.

Once it's all said and done even with his own fan base asking questions and even worse fans like Idhawkman questioning his ability, the voters looking back at this era and all the QBs that played not named Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers will see he was one of the top 3 or 4 in the league. A guy that played a highly efficient game of football, didn't miss any games, won the only Super Bowl in franchise history and took the team to a second, and did so without having many high performing weapons around him and a crap O-line.

Russell is one of those guys that will enter the Hall of Fame not only because he was extraordinary, but he was a unique anomaly that likely won't be seen again for some time. I'm going to enjoy it while he's here regardless of whether he is perfect or not. I'm going to enjoy watching his First Ballot Hall of Fame entry.

Russell Wilson is about as unique a QB as they come from his size, arm strength, mobility, physical durability, and all the things that make Russell Wilson Russell Wilson. Even his even-tempered, stay out of the spotlight, work hard and do right by the community personality is unique. Some of this fan base just doesn't get what they're watching quite yet. But when he is gone, entire fan base will feel what goes missing. The Hall will not ignore what this kid has done and it's been nothing short of extraordinary, and likely not duplicated by anyone his size for another fourty years or more.

[RiverDog]

Russell gets overshadowed by all the Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady grandstanding. He plays on a team that doesn't get much national talk. He plays in a run first offense. He also plays on a team that hasn't kept him surrounded with high quality receiving weapons and he's been told the entire time to keep the offense on track and keep us winning. That's what he has done.

That's an argument against Russell's possible induction, not for it. I'm not saying he wouldn't deserve the HOF if he never gets a MVP, and furthermore, I'm not the one that needs convincing. I'm simply saying that voters will look for those two awards, along with team performance (those two awards usually coincide with superior team performance), before they look at individual stats. That's why Vinny Testeverde and Dave Krieg never got a whiff of a gold jacket even though their stats were HOF worthy.

And just curious, can you come up with a HOF QB that hasn't won at least one SB MVP or one league MVP?

Once again, I have to add my disclaimer that I'm not disrespecting Russell at all, to the contrary. I agree with everything you've said about him. I'm just giving an objective opinion by trying to factor out my own homerism.

[c_hawkbob]

If Russ loses both legs in a car accident tomorrow he's in the HOF in five years.

[Aseahawkfan]

That's an argument against Russell's possible induction, not for it. I'm not saying he wouldn't deserve the HOF if he never gets a MVP, and furthermore, I'm not the one that needs convincing. I'm simply saying that voters will look for those two awards, along with team performance (those two awards usually coincide with superior team performance), before they look at individual stats. That's why Vinny Testeverde and Dave Krieg never got a whiff of a gold jacket even though their stats were HOF worthy.

And just curious, can you come up with a HOF QB that hasn't won at least one SB MVP or one league MVP?

Once again, I have to add my disclaimer that I'm not disrespecting Russell at all, to the contrary. I agree with everything you've said about him. I'm just giving an objective opinion by trying to factor out my own homerism.

Nope. Couldn't find one, though I know having watched quite a few of those players Russell was a better player. Most of the HoF Qbs listed were part of super teams back when that was a thing save for a few outliers like Marino and Fouts.

if for some reason Russell Wilson doesn't manage to win one of those awards, I guess he will be the first to enter the Hall without it as well. Because his stats are far better than quite a few in the Hall as has been his contribution to his team and football. I think he will end up an outlier just as he was an outlier when he entered the league. Prior to Russell no one had done what Russell has done with his physical dimensions and even the draft pundits thought he wouldn't do much as well as the NFL critics. His entire career is an anomaly. He'll enter the Hall as an anomaly no one can really explain and no one will match for some time.

Bunch of people thinking Kyler Murray the next Russell. Russell is as unique as they come and his unique qualities are why he made it at his height.