ET and the Ravens

[Hawktawk]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/278 ... ers-ravens

I never feel overconfident about any game and this is no different. This Peters trade shores up their greatest vulnerability which is their pass defense. ET knows PC and RW as well as anyone on the planet. I know he will be drooling at the mouth to pick Russ and house it and Carson better hang onto the ball cause he's one of the best at ripping it out.
Their QB is Kap his first couple of years in the league before he decided to quit running and start kneeling.

This is going to be a rock fight in my opinion.Vegas likes us by 3.5 and with how our games have went this year its likely to be that close. I hate it, wish we could just mop the floor with someone so I could have some stress free Hawks ball

[RiverDog]

Yup. Quite possibly our toughest contest of the year to this point. We need to bring our 'A' game. The forecast is for rain, and Russell doesn't have a real good track record in bad weather games.

I'll be in attendance as it's my annual Christmas gift to my daughter and son-in-law, and my nephew is coming along.

[jshawaii22]

Ravens have the same "no pass rush' issue we have, so we should be able to give Russell all the time he needs and that could be the difference in the game. Of course not letting their QB run us ragged is also necessary. We all remember Kap in his heyday would just kill us with his feet.

[RiverDog]

Ravens have the same "no pass rush' issue we have, so we should be able to give Russell all the time he needs and that could be the difference in the game. Of course not letting their QB run us ragged is also necessary. We all remember Kap in his heyday would just kill us with his feet.

Except Brown is likely out again and Fluker didn't practice Wednesday and is "day'to-day", according to Pete. So we'll see. Hopefully Fant and Jones step up like they did last Sunday. We might have to score 40 points to win this one.

[Hawktawk]

Yup. Quite possibly our toughest contest of the year to this point. We need to bring our 'A' game. The forecast is for rain, and Russell doesn't have a real good track record in bad weather games.

I'll be in attendance as it's my annual Christmas gift to my daughter and son-in-law, and my nephew is coming along.

Nice RD!!play hard 12th man!!I usually siound like Marlon Brando for a week after I go assuming I can talk at all

[RiverDog]

Nice RD!!play hard 12th man!!I usually siound like Marlon Brando for a week after I go assuming I can talk at all

You know it! And despite my displeasure at how he departed, we'll be cheering Earl when he's announced.

[obiken]

I have no hard feelings against ET now, it was directed at Pete not at us.

[RiverDog]

I have no hard feelings against ET now, it was directed at Pete not at us.

I don't care who he directed it at, it was a completely disingenuous and classless thing he did.

But I'll personally put that aside on Sunday, at least for a few moments. He was a major reason for the best period of Seahawk football we've ever had and that alone needs to be acknowledged by a lifelong Seahawk fan like me.

[c_hawkbob]

How in the hell was it disingenuous?

I think it was one of the most honest and from the heart gestures I've seen during a football game. A given player throwing their hands up in prayer or standing for the anthem or even shaking hands with opponents after game has a better chance of being disingenuous than that middle finger was.

Just because you didn't like it doesn't make it anything less than honest.

[RiverDog]

How in the hell was it disingenuous?

I think it was one of the most honest and from the heart gestures I've seen during a football game. A given player throwing their hands up in prayer or standing for the anthem or even shaking hands with opponents after game has a better chance of being disingenuous than that middle finger was.

Just because you didn't like it doesn't make it anything less than honest.

Disingenuous was a poor choice of words. What I should have said was disrespectful.

Pete was Earl's head coach for over 8 years, the man that drafted him, and helped him reach the pinnacle of his profession, not to mention that he's 35 years his senior. And before you say it, being filled with raw emotions after suffering a major injury doesn't excuse his actions, especially since he's said he doesn't regret it. Completely classless.

[c_hawkbob]

I agree with disrespectful, but but I don't think it's nearly as big a deal as you do. It's the kind of thing that happens all the time with most teams (and groups of friends and families and just about any other social dynamic), just not on national TV in front of god and everybody. He was in a lot of physical, mental and emotional pain. I'm OK with forgiving him this indiscretion. (Or perhaps just getting over it as I don't even know whether he wants or cares about my forgiveness)

[RiverDog]

I agree with disrespectful, but but I don't think it's nearly as big a deal as you do. It's the kind of thing that happens all the time with most teams (and groups of friends and families and just about any other social dynamic), just not on national TV in front of god and everybody. He was in a lot of physical, mental and emotional pain. I'm OK with forgiving him this indiscretion. (Or perhaps just getting over it as I don't even know whether he wants or cares about my forgiveness)

I'd be forgiving of his indiscretion, too. We all make mistakes. But most families/friends kiss and make up. Earl has to go first. He has yet to apologize, to the contrary, he says he doesn't regret it. Until he does, I won't.

But I will cheer for him on Sunday when he's introduced. Booing him would be equally classless.

[jshawaii22]

If the salute was a 'mistake' ET certainly could of apologized to the Coach and the team, but as far as I know, he didn't. Call it want you want, he became tainted to me. I wouldn't boo him... I hope he and his new team gets their butts run over this Sunday.

Maybe it was just the heat of the moment or some other cliche that you want to use to appease the truth. AT the end, he became just another money grabbing ingrate under contract player holdout and it just bugs me that it seems to be proliferating in the NFL (like the total fake Ramsey)

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/18/jalen-ramsey-fully-participates-in-thursdays-practice/

I hope the Jags sue him to recover the last 3 weeks of game $$$.

[RiverDog]

If the salute was a 'mistake' ET certainly could of apologized to the Coach and the team, but as far as I know, he didn't. Call it want you want, he became tainted to me. I wouldn't boo him... I hope he and his new team gets their butts run over this Sunday.

Except as it applies to his teammates possibly misinterpreting it, Earl hasn't apologized nor spoken to Pete since he flipped him off a year ago, to the contrary, he says he doesn't regret it:

“No, we haven’t spoken,” Thomas said when asked if he had talked to Carroll since that night. If and when they do speak again, Thomas also said to not expect an apology for the middle finger he flashed Carroll’s way as he was carted off the sideline following the injury.

Thomas said he had no regrets about the decision to flash the finger at Carroll other than hoping that no one else on the sideline thought it might be aimed at them. “I don’t regret my decision,” Thomas said. “If my teammates felt like it was for them, I regret that part. But I don’t regret doing that to Pete.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... oll-since/

Sounds like a truckload of sour grapes with a very long shelf life.

[c_hawkbob]

"Appease" the truth?

OK. If I become known as the guy that wants to keep the truth happy, I'm good with it.

[Aseahawkfan]

I have no hard feelings. I hope when Earl is entering the Hall of Fame, Pete is there watching and wishing him well. And they're getting along remembering the good times rather than thinking about business decisions that had to be made.

[jshawaii22]

"Appease" the truth?

OK. If I become known as the guy that wants to keep the truth happy, I'm good with it.

Well, I don't know where that came from, I'll blame my wife and all her crossword puzzles. It may not of come across correctly, but the point is ET's a grown man and should of known better then to publicly express his displeasure in front of 60,000 of his 'fans' and a national TV audience.

[idhawkman]

Ravens have the same "no pass rush' issue we have, so we should be able to give Russell all the time he needs and that could be the difference in the game. Of course not letting their QB run us ragged is also necessary. We all remember Kap in his heyday would just kill us with his feet.

Up to this game I think you are right about us not having a pass rush, but remember, we get back our 10.5 sack master this game which should open up him, ziggy or Clowney. I am actually giddy thinking about Clowney Clowning someone this weekend.

[idhawkman]

I never did understand why he was mad at Carroll. It is JS who wasn't renegotiating early with ET. His anger in my mind is misplaced. Carroll is the coach and John is the GM, I think he knows this, too.

[Hawktawk]

I never did understand why he was mad at Carroll. It is JS who wasn't renegotiating early with ET. His anger in my mind is misplaced. Carroll is the coach and John is the GM, I think he knows this, too.

Yeah I had a problem with a guy making 10 mil a year holding out or having an attitude anyway. As great as that defense was it really went out on a sad note. No appreciating a ring most guys never get and a fan base and owner superior to most .

[Aseahawkfan]

Yeah I had a problem with a guy making 10 mil a year holding out or having an attitude anyway. As great as that defense was it really went out on a sad note. No appreciating a ring most guys never get and a fan base and owner superior to most .

We would have been fine if we hadn't lost that second Super Bowl in a terrible fashion. Losses like that poison a team if they don't get back and wash the poison out quick. We started to erode from the poison rather than get it out of the system with victory.

[Stream Hawk]

I totally agree about the root of all that era’s problems being the Super Bowl loss. However, and I hate to say it again, the main reason we blew that game was giving up 2 late fourth quarter touchdowns to the patriots. The defense did that. The offense Bevelled around for the final quarter, until it needed to rally, got close and made a stupid play call. None of this would have happened without Brady doing whatever the hell he pleased. Damn I wish they could get another ring so we can forget this moment.

[RiverDog]

I totally agree about the root of all that era’s problems being the Super Bowl loss. However, and I hate to say it again, the main reason we blew that game was giving up 2 late fourth quarter touchdowns to the patriots. The defense did that. The offense Bevelled around for the final quarter, until it needed to rally, got close and made a stupid play call. None of this would have happened without Brady doing whatever the hell he pleased. Damn I wish they could get another ring so we can forget this moment.

I agree here, too, and in the days following that loss in SB 49, I said that keeping things together after a devastating loss like that was going to be a bigger challenge than building the team in the first place. I also agree that the defense had no room to complain if they can't hold onto a 2 score lead going into the 4th quarter. The last play, ie failing to give a team favorite in Beast another opportunity to punch it in fed into this "Russell Wilson isn't black enough" garbage that surrounded the locker room at that time. That part, ie the locker room dynamics, was the worst part of the Percy Harvin trade. If you'll recall, that was the season when there was a near mutiny after Harvin refused to go into a game and was dumped the following week.

I'm reluctant to mix topics from another thread, but that's one of the things that might influence PC and JS regarding the possible re-acquisition of Michael Bennett.

[Hawktawk]

I always hear the loss in 49 deep sixed that team. I say yes and no. That group of players still went to the divisional round 2 years in a row. Check out the trajectories of other teams that lost the super bowl.

I agree with all the above sentiments . The defense lost 49 as much as “the play”, it was just the last thing we remember about a game we were trailing in . But the d was hurt too and losing Avril was huge . What did in that era was age, injuries, salary cap, bad attitudes. I hate Belichick and Brady but they seem to be the one franchise in league history immune to these things. It was a nice run in Seattle, defensively historic but it died of old age.

Hopefully the fans are respectful to ET today and we give his team a big ass whooping
And absolutely no on Bennett. If he can’t get along in New England he sure as hell cant here. Some things you can’t unsay.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Not just losing Avril, which was huge, but also losing Lane. He did a much better job of containing Edelman than Tharold Simon. Brady picked on him for the rest of the game. I don't know why I dont' remember this, but Lane broke his wrist from landing wrong; I always thought it was a leg injury of some sort, and I blamed it on Edelman being dirty. Edelman's hit was low, but i would say clean.

As far as ET goes, I think he was disgruntled for really no reason. I don't know why he or someone he reference, Eric Weddle, talk about long-term security when they've already made millions. If you can't get secure after that, then you got problems. Given what the Ravens paid him, i think he's doing all right.

His knowledge of Seattle may help, but he's one of 11. If Schotty is that worried about him, he can scheme to avoid him.

[Aseahawkfan]

I totally agree about the root of all that era’s problems being the Super Bowl loss. However, and I hate to say it again, the main reason we blew that game was giving up 2 late fourth quarter touchdowns to the patriots. The defense did that. The offense Bevelled around for the final quarter, until it needed to rally, got close and made a stupid play call. None of this would have happened without Brady doing whatever the hell he pleased. Damn I wish they could get another ring so we can forget this moment.

I don't agree. Brady is Brady. He's going to push the best defenses. He doesn't have six rings for no reason. They eat mistakes for breakfast. No one is better than Brady at coming back in a bad situation. He's not Peyton Manning who crumbles in the crunch under pressure as often as he succeeds. And the defense lost key players and the guy that came in to support was eaten alive by Brady and his receivers. They attacked the backup player over and over again and worked him. I don't blame the defense. It isn't like Earl and Sherm were getting torn up. When Byron Maxwell went down, the backup Thurmond the 3rd or something was eaten up. We also lost our best nickel corner early as well. So we lost two key defensive players against the best QB in NFL history and he took full advantage. So I cannot agree with you guys. They may say, "Next man up", but it doesn't mean jack squat. Starters are starters for a reason. Our defense could not afford to lose two high performing secondary guys against Tom Brady and his receiving weapons. We showed it.

With two key injuries on defense and Brady moving the ball at will, you can't afford to get cute like Bevell did. I don't even blame Lockette or Kearse. They were sent to do jobs by Bevell they were not capable of executing. I blame Bevell and Pete for making one of the dumbest calls in NFL history given their knowledge of the personnel involved and available options. I will always blame Bevell for calling it and Pete for oking that call. Kearse was never going to pick a physical freak of a corner like Brandon Browner. Ricardo Lockette never made it as as a starting WR even with 1st round physical measurables because he can't catch a ball in tight spaces or on short routes. He had never done it in all the years he played football. His only two TDs being 50 yard bombs where he was streaking down the field. He had ham hands.

Some people may forget what happened that day, but I never will. I remember those key injuries to our defense. Once those key injuries happened, our defense was severely compromised. Brady just kept going after that weak point again and again and again. The backups just kept getting destroyed. Before those key injuries, Brady wasn't moving the ball worth a crap. Once those key injuries happened, it was going to come down to doing the best we could and not making any mistakes if we had the chance to win. Then Bevell comes up with his clever play call even with intimate familiarity of most of the key pieces involved. I think Pete should have killed that play as soon as he heard Kearse needs to pick Browner out of the play, if he heard it. Pete knew Browner better than any coach on that field. No way anyone was picking Browner. He pushed Kearse aside like he was nothing like he had done any receiver he had faced in the league.

That game is etched in my mind. I recall the key players and the key injuries. I don't blame Russell as much even though he telegraphed that play because we wouldn't have been in that game at all if not for his insane ability to use no name receivers to score TDs. That big tall guy we picked up at the last minute that isn't even in the league any more scored two TDs because of Russ's ability to throw. Chris something. But even Russ couldn't make Lockette run a tight route right and hit his spot when he 100% needed to do it. Bevell should have known.

[Aseahawkfan]

Not just losing Avril, which was huge, but also losing Lane. He did a much better job of containing Edelman than Tharold Simon. Brady picked on him for the rest of the game. I don't know why I dont' remember this, but Lane broke his wrist from landing wrong; I always thought it was a leg injury of some sort, and I blamed it on Edelman being dirty. Edelman's hit was low, but i would say clean.

As far as ET goes, I think he was disgruntled for really no reason. I don't know why he or someone he reference, Eric Weddle, talk about long-term security when they've already made millions. If you can't get secure after that, then you got problems. Given what the Ravens paid him, i think he's doing all right.

His knowledge of Seattle may help, but he's one of 11. If Schotty is that worried about him, he can scheme to avoid him.

And we lost Avril and Lane, I guess we didn't lose Maxwell. Tharold Simon was the guy. He was terrible. Got eaten alive. So the defense lost three key players. Defense got hamstrung hard. No room for errors.

I read some that again. Cheating ass Patriots didn't put Edelman in concussion protocol per league rules after Chancellor smashed him. Edelman stayed in the game while Avril left the game. When two teams are so evenly matched, it's little things like that that decide victory and defeat. One player wanting it more than another even willing to risk his physical health to win.

[RiverDog]

And we lost Avril and Lane, I guess we didn't lose Maxwell. Tharold Simon was the guy. He was terrible. Got eaten alive. So the defense lost three key players. Defense got hamstrung hard. No room for errors.

I read some that again. Cheating ass Patriots didn't put Edelman in concussion protocol per league rules after Chancellor smashed him. Edelman stayed in the game while Avril left the game. When two teams are so evenly matched, it's little things like that that decide victory and defeat. One player wanting it more than another even willing to risk his physical health to win.

Edelman turned Simon inside out even when he knew it was coming to his side. All Simon could do was beg for a flag. And wasn't Kam playing injured?

Our D was definitely banged up, but that's no excuse. It was a game we should have won and didn't, and our team was never the same afterwards. The following offseason, Kam held out while still under contract. The "Russell isn't black enough" BS started. We didn't realize it at the time, but even though we still had some successes, we had started to implode.

Water under the bridge.

[Hawktawk]

Wow we've morphed back to 49 . Part of why I love this forum although some notable names seem to be missing lately.

But OK here's my take. Yes the Lane injury may have been the biggest in game loss. He was returning a pick when he got hurt which is all you need to know. Nuff said.

Yes the hit was dirty although legal. Edelman came in high like a real man who is put together better than Lane should have then dove at his knee at the last fraction of a second. It was a clear attempt to injure so successful it caused 2 separate injuries. He's a friggin roid rage maggot that deserves to leave a game the way Lane left it.On a stretcher and yes I said it and I dont take it back. People often forget Brandon Browner publicly called for Patriots player to injure Seahawks before the game as well.How the saints coach missed a season because his D coordinator maybe said injure guys and Browner says it on TV and isnt suspended is beyond me but it was Goodells buddy Kraft so maybe not shocking.

Simon was victimized by 2 OPIs on one touchdown BTW with Edelman's extended arms shoving at Simon and redirecting him twice in clear view of the officials.Too bad we didn't have the back judge from XL on that one because it was ten times worse than anything Darryl Jackson did to Hope. Simon was completely correct in asking for a flag, not many corners could have maintained coverage on a multiple foul like that.

To be fair they didn't call a lot of penalties either way although the trip on Lockette on a crossing route in scoring territory on a crucial second half 3rd down should have been. Butler was burnt so bad he dove at Lockette and grabbed him by the ankle. If that's not pI I dont know what is.It would have led to at least a FG attempt which totally changes the game at the end if it's good. Avril was concussed by an intentional head butt. I dont remember if that got flagged.

IMO the game was lost because the Hawks got to feeling good up 10 afer Baldwin burned Revis, ADB takes a simulated dump on the ball while Sherman mocks Revis from the sidelines.Not a damn thing went well the rest of the way.
NE feasts on mistakes, on complacency, on being underestimated. Ask Dan Quinn and Atlanta a couple years later..The last play was a strange super ugly loss to kind of a weird game but it seems everyone remembers the play and forgets about all the little things that happened throughout the game. Oh well there's 30 other teams that would have been overjoyed to be where seattle wound up. GO HAWKS!!!!

[RiverDog]

After the Ravens won, Earl Thomas declared that beating his former team was "the best feeling in the world” then didn't even bother to shake hands with his former coach.

Best feeling in the world? Seriously Earl? Beating your former team in Week 7 of the regular season is a better feeling than winning a Super Bowl and being paraded in front of a million adoring fans? What happened to your memory?

Some of you are running out of ways to excuse this guy's behavior. He's no doubt a first ballot HOF'er and I'll always be grateful for his role in providing us with the best period of Seahawk football we've ever had, but he's also a first class A-hole.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -seahawks/

https://247sports.com/Article/Earl-Thom ... TKuf7psuLE