Game day 2019

[trents]

Did Fluker play today? Hawk's running game has been anemic so far this year and that is IMO the main reason they are struggling to score points. Their offense is predicated on being able to move the ball on the ground. And all the other teams are now focusing on stopping that after the Hawks success in that department last year. I wonder if we should start running Penny to the outside instead of Carson between the tackles over and over.

Did Ziggy Anseh play today? I'm am more than a little surprised at how the Hawks have not been able to put more pressure on opposing quarterbacks than they have so far considering the big name defensive ends we brought on board during the off season.

Yeah, Hawks special teams were terrible today.

[obiken]

Penny was out with a hammy and we missed him. Without the return and the fumble for a TD, this would have been a close game Trenty, but yeah I think the game was over when we could not pick up a yard with 2 straight dive plays to Carson. ITs time to take the training wheels off RW.

[RiverDog]

2 TD’s due to special teams issues- fumble returned for a TD leads to a very frustrating loss. RW accounts for 4 total TDS and almost 500 yards but the two we are going to remember is the 4th down throw he missed to Lockett and the other one- terrible throw/audible on that 4th and one... can’t give away games in this league and we did today.

Not what I will remember because this is loss is not him. He should never have been in the position for them to matter.

Russell has to share at least part of the blame. The offense sucked yesterday, and the quarterback is the most important piece of that unit.

[NorthHawk]

It was a team loss in all phases and Russell padded his stats at the end when the Saints started playing a little softer on Defense.
The only thing good about this is it might be a wakeup slap in the face for this team that will either get them going early in games or
have them end up with a high draft pick. The Defense isn't yet mature enough to hold a a team down until the Offense gets untracked
or hold a lead against a good Offense. That means our Offense has to produce early.
But it's the same thing as always. Slow, plodding, seemingly uncaring Offense early and frantic action late. With today's power
Offenses, it's a dangerous game unless we have the best scoring Defense in the league - which we don't.

[obiken]

I agree, the 400 yards passing looks a little chump when we were sitting at 33-14 with 4 minutest to go and they didnt care.

[RiverDog]

It was a team loss in all phases and Russell padded his stats at the end when the Saints started playing a little softer on Defense.
The only thing good about this is it might be a wakeup slap in the face for this team that will either get them going early in games or
have them end up with a high draft pick. The Defense isn't yet mature enough to hold a a team down until the Offense gets untracked
or hold a lead against a good Offense. That means our Offense has to produce early.
But it's the same thing as always. Slow, plodding, seemingly uncaring Offense early and frantic action late. With today's power
Offenses, it's a dangerous game unless we have the best scoring Defense in the league - which we don't.

I couldn't agree more.

Has anyone heard an explanation as to why Russell audibled out of a running play to a low percentage, 15-20 yard up and out timing pattern on 4th and one?

[Hawktawk]

This wasn’t on Russ. At least not primarily . Defense was awful. Special teams were dreadful with a 14 point swing. Carson should have sat rest of game after his stupid atrocious fumble . Pete called a terrible game along with schittenheimer. Like PC said after “ it was one of those days “ can’t afford too many more of those . Fugly.

[The POPE]

Looking at the time mismanagement, 4th down calls, and other erroneous coaching decisions it is apparent that Pete must have had a concussion form the pre-game incident. We are accustomed to I’ll advised challenges, and poor clock management in crucial situations, but yesterday was a new level of incompetence. No, I’m not on the fire Pete wagon by any means, but I think we may have been better off yesterday if he had entered the concussion protocol before the game started. I hope he is fully evaluated by the medical staff before next Sunday. Hopefully Penny will be back next week, it’s time for Carson to sit for a while until he figures out how to hold on to the ball.
Only good thing about that game was Russell got to pad his stats and he was my QB in fantasy football, sometimes you got to take the good with the bad.

Pope Out.

[RiverDog]

This wasn’t on Russ. At least not primarily . Defense was awful. Special teams were dreadful with a 14 point swing. Carson should have sat rest of game after his stupid atrocious fumble . Pete called a terrible game along with schittenheimer. Like PC said after “ it was one of those days “ can’t afford too many more of those . Fugly.

I think the discussion concerning Russell's culpability for the loss was in reaction to Anthony's attempt to absolve him of any and all responsibility.

Russell didn't lose this game, but he damn sure didn't win it, either. IMO his performance was good enough to win 75% of the games we play. In particular, his pocket management, scrambles, and ball security was excellent. But he did miss some open receivers and he did make that curious audible on 4th and one that torpedoed any chance of a comeback.

Where we lost the game was on that abortion of a punt return (Dickson kicked it short and to his left, which screwed up the coverage) and Carson's fumble.

Arizona won't be an easy out. They are 3 points away from being undefeated. We're going to have to bring our 'A' game.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I mean, if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas, but wasn't that 1-yd TD the Saints made after the 4th and 4 Al Woods penalty an illegal pick play? The Saints run that fairly often (first time this year, but they ran it last year) but never get called for it. I saw WR engaging DB's before the ball was out. The announcers were all over Sean Peyton's jock for making such a great call. The Seahawks have never been able to get a way with it in the past.

[Rambo2014]

Congrats! Another spellbinder for you guys. 3rd place now. Its al about the Rams and Niners as it should be in the NFC West.

U may get past ARZ next week but then the meat grinder shows up LOL

[NorthHawk]

I mean, if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas, but wasn't that 1-yd TD the Saints made after the 4th and 4 Al Woods penalty an illegal pick play? The Saints run that fairly often (first time this year, but they ran it last year) but never get called for it. I saw WR engaging DB's before the ball was out. The announcers were all over Sean Peyton's jock for making such a great call. The Seahawks have never been able to get a way with it in the past.

Those kinds of plays are hit and miss all over the league. Some teams seem to be better at disguising their intent than others, though.

[c_hawkbob]

I actually agree withe Pope, this loss was primarily on the coaching staff.

I'm gonna give Pete a mulligan on this one cause he took a pretty good shot before the game and it visibly effected him all game. But I am concerned that he doesn't have as tight a control as necessary. And why didn't the other coaches step up their games?

And what's up with the equipment guys? Carson couldn't keep his feet under him for sh!t. Carson BTW doesn't get a mulligan, he has GOT to learn to maintain possession of the damn ball. This hot and cold running RBs is getting old.

[NorthHawk]

I actually agree withe Pope, this loss was primarily on the coaching staff.

I'm gonna give Pete a mulligan on this one cause he took a pretty good shot before the game and it visibly effected him all game. But I am concerned that he doesn't have as tight a control as necessary. And why didn't the other coaches step up their games?

And what's up with the equipment guys? Carson couldn't keep his feet under him for sh!t. Carson BTW doesn't get a mulligan, he has GOT to learn to maintain possession of the damn ball. This hot and cold running RBs is getting old.

The Offensive game plan really needs work. I don't think it's Schottenheimer as we saw the same thing with Bevell, but this starting slowly and then trying to win at the end isn't going to work very often.
It's strange that Carson seemed to be the only player that was regularly slipping. What was different with his footwear from others I wonder?

[RiverDog]

And what's up with the equipment guys? Carson couldn't keep his feet under him for sh!t.

I'm glad you brought that up. It was raining a little, but not nearly enough to affect footing. That was our home field, and we played there two weeks ago under similar conditions yet he nor anyone else had an apparent footing problem.

It's a brand new turf, installed just this summer. Carson was the only player having trouble with his footing. Obviously something wasn't right with his footwear. I always thought that the equipment guys would change out the cleats on a player's shoe if they were experiencing problems, but he slipped on at least 2 separate series, so if they did make some adjustments, they were either insufficient, tardy, or both.

[mykc14]

I mean, if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas, but wasn't that 1-yd TD the Saints made after the 4th and 4 Al Woods penalty an illegal pick play? The Saints run that fairly often (first time this year, but they ran it last year) but never get called for it. I saw WR engaging DB's before the ball was out. The announcers were all over Sean Peyton's jock for making such a great call. The Seahawks have never been able to get a way with it in the past.

I’m pretty sure (somebody might want to rewatch it to make sure) that the pass was behind the LOS making it a screen in which case those WR blocking downfield would be legal.

[jshawaii22]

I think it has to do with whether or not the pass was backwards (making it a lateral) in which case it's a run and the blockers can block anywhere downfield, or if it was a forward pass, which the passing rules come into play. If it's a pass, they can legally block within one yard of the line of scrimmage without penalty (that would include behind the LoS, too. Any further upfield blocking past 1 yard is supposed to be illegal until the pass has found a receiver.

[Hawktawk]

I think it has to do with whether or not the pass was backwards (making it a lateral) in which case it's a run and the blockers can block anywhere downfield, or if it was a forward pass, which the passing rules come into play. If it's a pass, they can legally block within one yard of the line of scrimmage without penalty (that would include behind the LoS, too. Any further upfield blocking past 1 yard is supposed to be illegal until the pass has found a receiver.

It sure looked like a pick to me. They got away with 2 the last time we played them and the league admitted as much after the game. It doesn't matter. They were on the 1 instead of us on the 40 after the Woods (ticky tack) penalty for covering the snapper. Its a call designed to protect the snapper and Woods didn't touch him at all or even rush as I saw.

But regardless too many penalties. Dickson isn't Dickson yet. Atrocious tackling, terrible play calling and of course Carson's F up after busting a huge dam break type of run. It wasn't our day.

AZ means a lot. Remember this team was 1-2 last year now a reasonable chance to go 3-1 at the quarter pole.

It's one game. lets see what happens sunday.

As for Russ being a major part of it thou doth protest too much shackers. The overthrow to Lock is a ball Lock has caught before and definitely ADB did many times. Its 4th down, you have to get it off and it's a rainy windy day. As for as audibling who knows what would have happened had they stayed with the original play assuming it was a run anyway. Last I checked Carson had 2 tries to get a yard earlier in the game and didnt , MOF lost a yard on 4th down. The call by Pete and Schott to go there on 4th near midfield shortly before the half and run the exact same play that had got stuffed a play earlier was dumb and PC said as much and it led to the game getting out of hand instead of punting them deep and seeing if Bridgewater might make a mistake in the 2 minute offense.Playing a team with a crippled offense at home with the Hawks penchant for showing up in the second half it was just a bad decision although hindsight is 20-20.

Leaving timeouts on the clock with a sure FG at the half was also ugly. It's just not on Russ. He wasn't perfect but only Jesus was and he had a better day than about 95% of the QBs in the game sunday.And for all you whining about his slides last week he drug an all pro CB into the endzone Sunday definitely standing up. What do you want? It's not his fault in the slightest. It was his team and coaches that wasted it.