Marshawn?

[Uppercut]

I have a feeling that he will not start another game for the hawks. It seems there are too many blanks yet to be filled in explanations for his recovery. Trying to re-hab in Bay Area is suspicious and not hanging out in Seattle around the team is another. He is probably trying to fight farther time and will not recover enough to start any playoff game. I see him playing one more season in Oakland on a limited basis. Great runner for us but sort of strange too. IMO

[RiverDog]

I have a feeling that he will not start another game for the hawks. It seems there are too many blanks yet to be filled in explanations for his recovery. Trying to re-hab in Bay Area is suspicious and not hanging out in Seattle around the team is another. He is probably trying to fight farther time and will not recover enough to start any playoff game. I see him playing one more season in Oakland on a limited basis. Great runner for us but sort of strange too. IMO

Lynch always marches to the tune of a different drummer. I wouldn't put any weight at all into his rehabbing in the bay area.

IMO he will be ready to go in the playoffs, if not the AZ game. I'm not sure about next season, but I am sure about the playoffs. I'd be really surprised if he's not with us in the playoffs, unless he's physically unable to go.

[NorthHawk]

I believe he trains at home in the off season, and he always comes to camp in excellent shape so with all of the sports specialists in So Cal, and in conjunction with the Seahawks trainers I don't put too much into him rehabbing there.
Next year will be difficult to keep him at his present salary. It's too hard to justify considering the success of Rawls at about $11,000,000 less.

[Hawk Sista]

NorCal, not soCal - but I agree. He's always done his own thing and come in fine. I expect we may see him start to phase in soon and he'll be back for the playoffs.

[Uppercut]

OK I hope. I hope he returns and has a 60 yard run for the winning TD in the SB.

[Zorn76]

Some updates from fieldgulls.com if you haven't read this already...

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/12/21/10 ... chancellor

[FolkCrusader]

I think RD is right with week 17 - playoff week 1 return. Normal recovery from hernia surgery is 6 weeks.

[obiken]

I am not so sure now, it might be a dog and pony show, he may not be back, period.

[Hawktawk]

Beast in the first round of the playoffs would be perfect. But if not we will be OK. The passing game is so red hot its setting up the run now. Teams will be afraid to load the box and may be less inclined to do so with less star power in the Seattle backfield. But CM was fine Sunday with 5 something YPC. We are fine. Lynch would be the cherry on top.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Marshawn wanted all of that money upfront so now that he has been paid he doesn't have to play another down. It seems as if he knew he wasn't going to be playing for the Seahawks after this season one way or another. We can't justify paying him the kind of money he is supposed to get next season.

Rawls injury was pretty bad and I have to wonder if he will be back for the start of next season let alone training camp.

One thing, the money saved from cutting Lynch loose we will be able to use on other players that want to be here.

[Zorn76]

Geez, lol.

Look, if nothing else, Lynch has demonstrated throughout his career that he comes to play 110% He is not known to let some minor dings keep him from suiting up. He's sat when he's had back spasms, but that's understandable.

This is an abdominal injury, folks, which means it takes a lil while to heal.
It sounds like (via the link above) that there's a good chance he will play again, if not in the AZ game (which may not be necessary anyway), then in the WC round.

And if this is his last year in the NFL (or with the Seahawks), then he's gonna wanna go out with a bang. This team has a decent shot at getting back to the SB, regardless if we have to be road warriors to do it (and were 4-3 away right now). It also just so happens that this years SB is being played 45 minutes from where he grew up, so he'd love to play in front of a homey crowd:)

By no means would I write him off for this year.

[Hawktawk]

Geez, lol.

Look, if nothing else, Lynch has demonstrated throughout his career that he comes to play 110% He is not known to let some minor dings keep him from suiting up. He's sat when he's had back spasms, but that's understandable.

This is an abdominal injury, folks, which means it takes a lil while to heal.
It sounds like (via the link above) that there's a good chance he will play again, if not in the AZ game (which may not be necessary anyway), then in the WC round.

And if this is his last year in the NFL (or with the Seahawks), then he's gonna wanna go out with a bang. This team has a decent shot at getting back to the SB, regardless if we have to be road warriors to do it (and were 4-3 away right now). It also just so happens that this years SB is being played 45 minutes from where he grew up, so he'd love to play in front of a homey crowd:)

By no means would I write him off for this year.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Yeah Zorny,This
Lynch has never dogged it, took a play off. I remember him missing a game due to back spasms in 2011 vs Cleveland I believe. The guy was almost in tears on the sidelines he was so upset he couldn't play. Last year at KC he was in so much pain he stayed in the freezing cold on the sidelines during halftime so he wouldn't be unable to adjust from going to a heated lockeroom. If Beast got more money moved knowing he was coming apart good for him.He deserves it.

Man hes given us Beast Mode for 6 awesome seasons. He gets Seattle airtime with his fabulous runs that will live forever, especially Beastquake. I hope to God he shows up ready to rock and roll week 18 with his legs, back, shoulders which are always hurting feeling great. A co-MVP performance with Russ that captured a Lombardi would be a way to go out in a blaze of glory.

Get well soon Beast.

[EmeraldBullet]

If Lynch never plays a snap again he will still go down as one of my fav players. He really was a huge part in our franchises resurgence. Not sure if everyone here remembers (but I know a lot of you do) but it was looking bleak for a good bit.

I would absolutely LOVE to see him come back for the playoffs and make the same impact we expect from him. I know how tough he is not giving in to injuries, and beyond that, just his running style (there's a reason other RBs don't do what he does, they don't have the heart to do it).

My biggest fear is him trying to come back early and getting seriously injured for the rest of his life. A hernia is not something you rush and with his running style its especially less something you want to rush back to.

[Seahawks4Ever]

I don't know if Rawls will be back for the start of the regular season next year let alone TC. We will still need Marshawn Lynch next year because of that fact. Besides, wouldn't we want to see Lynch go out with a bang and not a whimper??

[jshawaii22]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/ ... dapt-to-us

Tom Cable made some comments that I, at first, didn't think I actually heard what he was saying, but I went back and read the quote and yes, he just threw Marshawn under the bus. Somehow, this makes me believe that there is something more to the "I'm rehabbing on my own" story then any of us know. note Tom Cables' background in Oakland and I think he still lives there offseason.

js

[NorthHawk]

I took it as being a bit of an unwarranted comment considering how much Marshawn has contributed to the Offensive identity of the team. I passed it off as Cable being an ass, but maybe you are right and something is going on.

[c_hawkbob]

There is nothing unwarranted in Cables comment and there was no throwing Beast under the bus. It was just Cable acknowledging that a paradigm shift has taken place since Lynch and Graham have gone out and we're now an offense driven by and centered around Wilson whereas it was plainly a Lynch centered machine when he last played.

[NorthHawk]

I inferred from Cables comment is we don't really need him, but he'd be nice to have.
Come playoff time, should we advance, we will need him more and more as the games get tougher.

His comments should have been more like Pete's and maybe that's partly why he's no longer a HC.

[Hawktawk]

Its easy to forget that a mere 6 weeks ago Lynches agent sent the "get your head out of your @** Dangerruss" tweet in the middle of the AZ game. Beast hasn't played a down since then as he was shut down and had surgery.
In the meantime the Seattle and NFL record book has been rewritten by Russ.

Darn right Lynches role in the offense has changed and I think Cable is kind of being the teams messenger in that regard. Not too many coaches in the league say anything that doesn't have meaning and there was a clear message to Beast and his entourage.None of that is disrespecting Lynch, if anything he disrespected Russ by remaining silent on what his agent had said.

This is Seattle being smart and proactive to make sure nothing disrupts the offensive flow of this team, even if its the return of a superstar back.

[NorthHawk]

You don't dis a player in the press these days.
If we are to continue to be a run first team as Pete says we will, Lynch will again be the focal point of the Offense when he returns. If we are going to continue to try to win through the air, you don't tell the player via the media.

[savvyman]

It's the "Mature" comment that Cable made that is interesting. Makes me think that the FO is saying that they (and maybe some players) are getting a little weary of having to constantly adapt to Marshawn always marching to "The Beat of his own Drum...."

[HumanCockroach]

I could by that if you had said Cable or even Cable and Bevel, the FO? I don't buy that. If the FO had been tired of dealing with Lynch they would have traded him this off season, not signed him to a bigger contract.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Another week another game going to be missed by Weak-Mode. he was in town this week for an "event" but he couldn't manage to find his way over to the VMAC so that team doctors, trainers, and coaches could do their own evaluation as to where his sports hernia operation rehab is progressing.

Is anyone OK with Marshawn's utter disregard for the team and his team mates??? I am sure that Pete has been letting him get away with these antics because he is still under the delusion that Lynch plans on showing up for the play offs at some point. Why do I get the feeling that should the Hawks get knocked out in the 1st. round that Lynch will say that he would have been ready for the 2nd. round.

Lynch by not rehabbing at the VMAC and not attending games giving "moral support" for the rest of the players is a huge slap in the face to the whole team, the players, the coaches, the trainers, even the ball boys and girls. Lynch is really slapping Paul Allen in the face and quite frankly I am sick of it.
Lynch must have been shocked when Rawls not only filled his shoes but was way more productive. Lynch must have loved the teams lack of production on the ground last week, I wonder if he had his agent call Schneider up and demand more money if the team expected him to play any more this season. It wouldn't surprise me if he had.

Win or lose I believe the Seahawks should call Lynch on this B.S. of so-called rehabbing back in the Bay Area. I believe the Hawks should say that Lynch has voluntarily left the team and seek any money back that they can get.

Lynch has officially turned in to a CANCER, and a cancer needs to be removed or it will spread. It may have already spread, it doesn't look like KC is going to play either because he has a sore fanny. It appears KC is with holding his services right when the team needs him the most. Looks like it is "pay back" for the F/O not caving in to his holding out earlier this season. Now, I hope I am wrong about Kam, I really do, but I got a sneaking suspicion I am not.

The "cancer" may have already spread, I mean, look at the poor play by the O-Line last week. WTF was that??? It looked to me like those guys on the line were sending a message to Pete and John (and PA) pay us too or Russell Wilson will miss games because he is injured.

It boggles my mind that the O-Line can progress so far and then forget about what they are doing for an entire game.

OK, talk me down, tell I am wrong about everything and that Kam will play Sunday and Lynch will be back for the play offs and that the O-Line will go back to remembering their assignments and Wilson won't get sacked a ton of times.

[savvyman]

Another week another game going to be missed by Weak-Mode. he was in town this week for an "event" but he couldn't manage to find his way over to the VMAC so that team doctors, trainers, and coaches could do their own evaluation as to where his sports hernia operation rehab is progressing.

Is anyone OK with Marshawn's utter disregard for the team and his team mates??? I am sure that Pete has been letting him get away with these antics because he is still under the delusion that Lynch plans on showing up for the play offs at some point. Why do I get the feeling that should the Hawks get knocked out in the 1st. round that Lynch will say that he would have been ready for the 2nd. round.

Lynch by not rehabbing at the VMAC and not attending games giving "moral support" for the rest of the players is a huge slap in the face to the whole team, the players, the coaches, the trainers, even the ball boys and girls. Lynch is really slapping Paul Allen in the face and quite frankly I am sick of it.
Lynch must have been shocked when Rawls not only filled his shoes but was way more productive. Lynch must have loved the teams lack of production on the ground last week, I wonder if he had his agent call Schneider up and demand more money if the team expected him to play any more this season. It wouldn't surprise me if he had.

Win or lose I believe the Seahawks should call Lynch on this B.S. of so-called rehabbing back in the Bay Area. I believe the Hawks should say that Lynch has voluntarily left the team and seek any money back that they can get.

Lynch has officially turned in to a CANCER, and a cancer needs to be removed or it will spread. It may have already spread, it doesn't look like KC is going to play either because he has a sore fanny. It appears KC is with holding his services right when the team needs him the most. Looks like it is "pay back" for the F/O not caving in to his holding out earlier this season. Now, I hope I am wrong about Kam, I really do, but I got a sneaking suspicion I am not.

The "cancer" may have already spread, I mean, look at the poor play by the O-Line last week. WTF was that??? It looked to me like those guys on the line were sending a message to Pete and John (and PA) pay us too or Russell Wilson will miss games because he is injured.

It boggles my mind that the O-Line can progress so far and then forget about what they are doing for an entire game.

OK, talk me down, tell I am wrong about everything and that Kam will play Sunday and Lynch will be back for the play offs and that the O-Line will go back to remembering their assignments and Wilson won't get sacked a ton of times.

Well you assessment is mostly spot on except for the cancer conclusion.

Have you ever supervised employees? Especially in the performance roles of an organization? Lynch is just like some of your superstar performers - they can be the biggest pain in the ass to deal with - many of them purposely so because they know they are so good and that many other places will gladly take them - - You learn as a supervisor, coach leader to adapt to these superstar performers and give them a little more "Range of behavior latitude" because what they bring to the team is so valuable and also many times irreplaceable.

You are right in that Marshawns behavior is disrespectful to his teammates, his coaching staff and most of all the Seahawks training staff. However If you look at the quotes of all the Seahawk players Marshawn is given a pass for this because of how he performs on the field and how much sacrifice he gives physically on each play during every game.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Savvy; Fair enough. What I know is that a top performer is given greater latitude but when the time comes to perform they have to perform, or they can lose their credibility.

[Hawktawk]

You are right in that Marshawns behavior is disrespectful to his teammates, his coaching staff and most of all the Seahawks training staff. However If you look at the quotes of all the Seahawk players Marshawn is given a pass for this because of how he performs on the field and how much sacrifice he gives physically on each play during every game.

Well stated.With rank and accomplishments comes privilege AND responsibility.Beast is a handful and my guess is his time here is going to end after this year barring some horrible setback to Rawls or Lynch being willing to negotiate back down.
That being said if the guy could play he would play. And when he does he usually does something spectacular. So I'm cool with waiting. My guess is if hes in town with the team he will play in the first playoff game and play very well.A fully rested Beast Mode will be a load for anyone. Hes been a joy to watch on the field and and a complete goofball off it..I'm going to enjoy watching him for 4 more games..

[mykc14]

look at the poor play by the O-Line last week. WTF was that??? It looked to me like those guys on the line were sending a message to Pete and John (and PA) pay us too or Russell Wilson will miss games because he is injured.

It boggles my mind that the O-Line can progress so far and then forget about what they are doing for an entire game.

I can't talk you down off of everything, except know that Kam will be back and healthy for the playoffs, as far as this week not a huge deal if he misses. The OL thing seems way off to me, I mean do you really think the OL got together and thought, hey lets send a message. That's not how it works and they would never risk RW to do that. They simply played one heck of a good DL and without Okung were clearly overmatched (actually they would have been overmatched with Okung, but not nearly as bad). Personally I think the snaps over RW head had as much to do with Aaron Donald as the wet ball. The dude is a stud. Also, don't devalue the loss of Luke at TE as a blocker. He's not the best in the league but he has become an adequate blocker, much better than Cooper.

Beast mode is a bit frustrating. I didn't really mind him rehabbing on his own in Oakland but being in town and not letting the Hawks' Doc's look at him is a bit weird to me. He has always danced to the beat of his own drum, but that seems like a bit of a head scratcher to me. I don't doubt he is rehabbing hard on his own, but I am becoming less and less convinced that we see him in the first game of the playoffs and then maybe not even after that. At the same time we need to remember that he was supposed to miss 4-6 weeks with this injury and it was exactly 5 weeks ago today so it's not like he has been dragging this out or anything, although it would have made sense for the Hawks Docs' to get a look at him and see exactly where he's at in his recovery.

[RiverDog]

Beast mode is a bit frustrating. I didn't really mind him rehabbing on his own in Oakland but being in town and not letting the Hawks' Doc's look at him is a bit weird to me. He has always danced to the beat of his own drum, but that seems like a bit of a head scratcher to me. I don't doubt he is rehabbing hard on his own, but I am becoming less and less convinced that we see him in the first game of the playoffs and then maybe not even after that. At the same time we need to remember that he was supposed to miss 4-6 weeks with this injury and it was exactly 5 weeks ago today so it's not like he has been dragging this out or anything, although it would have made sense for the Hawks Docs' to get a look at him and see exactly where he's at in his recovery.

Yea, I've stopped trying to figure out Beast Mode. He's a strange dude. It makes absouletly no sense why he wouldn't let the Hawks doctors evaluate him. All I know is that when the bell rings, he'll be there if it is humanly possible. In the Cards game in Glendale last year, I saw him puke his guts up a half hour before game time, didn't even play in the first series, and we all know how that game ended. I don't question his motivation like I did with Percy Harvin.

[obiken]

Yeah am not going to say what I think the true story is on ML, I am tired of being Human's Human punching bag!!

[NorthHawk]

The important thing is the players respect him and love playing with him.
That's all that really matters.

[obiken]

I agree but do you really think he is going to show HT??

[Hawktawk]

I agree but do you really think he is going to show HT??

If Beast is able to play he will play. Id be surprised if he isn't padded up for the first round. I'm not sure he isn't closer to ready than PC is letting on. I think they are just not taking a chance of blowing it out.He is actually right on schedule(long end of it) at 6 weeks right now. And he is a tough SOB who plays with enough pain if you or I woke woke up feeling like that we would call 911.

Hes playing first round

[c_hawkbob]

I would say Marshawn's actions are irrespective of, not disrespectful to his coaches and teammates and I'd note what a major difference there is between the two dynamics.