trents wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/sports/richard-sherman-nfl-players-react-to-possible-implementation-of-hip-drop-tackle-rule
I loathe another rule being added to playing defense.
trents wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/sports/richard-sherman-nfl-players-react-to-possible-implementation-of-hip-drop-tackle-rule
I loathe another rule being added to playing defense.
Hawktawk wrote:It’s the worst officiating in any pro sport and this will make it even worse.
Hawktawk wrote:It’s the worst officiating in any pro sport and this will make it even worse.
Hawktawk wrote:It’s the worst officiating in any pro sport and this will make it even worse.
I think the game of football is easier to affect with a bad call or no call then any other sport . A score is 7, a large percentage of the overall score usually . A hold can erase that . A pi can be a 60 yard call .
It’s bad right now . That AFC championship has me not wanting to even watch the super bowl , just incompetence . Tired of getting invested in a team and having the zebras decide it .
Hawktawk wrote:It’s the worst officiating in any pro sport and this will make it even worse.
I think the game of football is easier to affect with a bad call or no call then any other sport . A score is 7, a large percentage of the overall score usually . A hold can erase that . A pi can be a 60 yard call .
It’s bad right now . That AFC championship has me not wanting to even watch the super bowl , just incompetence . Tired of getting invested in a team and having the zebras decide it .
RiverDog wrote:My take on the penalty was that it wasn't a violent or egregious contact as the league recognized by their decision not to levy a fine, but it occurred several steps out of bounds for both players and Ossai undoubtedly could have and should have held up. It had to be called or else it would have been the Chiefs that would have gone ballistic. I felt badly for Ossai as it was a mistake that's likely to haunt him for the rest of his life, but it's refreshing to see that he's apparently accepted it rather than complain or make excuses.
In all sincerity, I think you need to take a closer look at how you're viewing officiating. It's far from perfect and can and should be improved, but it's no worse now than it's been for eons and arguably better. There is no credible evidence anywhere that any of the officials are corrupt.
RiverDog wrote:My take on the penalty was that it wasn't a violent or egregious contact as the league recognized by their decision not to levy a fine, but it occurred several steps out of bounds for both players and Ossai undoubtedly could have and should have held up. It had to be called or else it would have been the Chiefs that would have gone ballistic. I felt badly for Ossai as it was a mistake that's likely to haunt him for the rest of his life, but it's refreshing to see that he's apparently accepted it rather than complain or make excuses.
In all sincerity, I think you need to take a closer look at how you're viewing officiating. It's far from perfect and can and should be improved, but it's no worse now than it's been for eons and arguably better. There is no credible evidence anywhere that any of the officials are corrupt.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I don't know that it was corrupt, but I'm more and more against making that call. The ball carrier, especially if it's the quarterback, has every advantage in going for the first down. He can turn up field and dig as hard as he can to get the first and then jump out of bounds. To add to it, the onus of avoiding contact is on the defender not the ball carrier. Mahomes had two feet out of bounds, but he got hit right after the second foot came down. That could very well be what kept a fine from happening, but it shouldn't draw a flag. Mahomes could have gone out before it ever became that close of a call. The NFL needs to start putting responsibility of avoiding those situations on the QB not the defender. If he turns up field to get a few extra yards and maybe the first, then he's probably going to get hit. Otherwise, he needs to pick his point of exit off the field before contact comes.
Not interested in this Super Bowl. Don't care to see an Eagles team pumped over beating a one-dimensional 49ers team and a KC team that benefitted from a weak unnecessary roughness call.
RiverDog wrote: Mahomes was clearly out of bounds and Ossai admitted himself that he should have held up. It had to be called. If it wasn't, I can guarantee you that there would have been a feeding frenzy of Chiefs fans devouring the refs.
However, I agree with you in that I don't like seeing games decided by calls like that one. I think that a reasonable compromise would be to have two separate tiers of personal foul penalties, one for calls such as the one we're talking about in the AFCCG that would be 5 yards and not an automatic first down and a second, industrial strength tier that encompasses violent contact on defenseless receivers, blows to the head, etc. It would be a solution for some of those Panzie arse roughing the passer calls. They have it for roughing the kicker, I don't know why they couldn't do it for other personal fouls.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I know; he had two feet out of bounds, but that is all happening awfully fast. Because it happens so fast, I don't expect defenders to be able to hold up that quickly. If the defender is expected to pull up in that amount of time, then the qb has just as much opportunity to get out of bounds to avoid that situation. Ossai is taking the high road in my opinion; it's the right call on his part. Even if he is taking this one, I'm not putting that on him, not all of it at least. Mahomes pushed it to the limit. Don't turn up field if you don't want to draw that attention.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Not particularly concerned with the uproar from fanbases; none of us like calls/no calls that don't benefit our teams. Should that be something that draws flags? Fans going ape because they didn't get what they wanted?
Hawktawk wrote:He pushes with one hand and Mahomes flops to boot which sickens me . When he waved his arms all the flags flew .
I’ll give zach Taylor credit . He’s a hell of a coach and his team was good enough to win it . Most anyone watching the game feels the Bengals were systematically hosed throughout . They sure were in the final few ( most important ) minutes .
Taylor didn’t make a peep . Class act . I recall Holmgren after XL , I agreed , still do more all the time but it was a bad weak look .
I’m with Mack if they are gonna milk every inch out of a sideline run they better not flop and milk 15. I’m not sure the guy who pushed Mahomes wasn’t held on the same play . Hold on return directly at the point of attack not called . Hold on the Mahomes scramble , not called but 2 seconds later a 1 hand push to a guy who flops like Lebron ends the game .
You see my point ? It’s the job of the fans to change it or I guess look at the biggest clowns in all of pro sports changing destinies as part of the fun .
trents wrote:I think there were several other ref calls that were more egregious than that one last Sunday. That hit on Mahomes out of bounds was the right call IMO but if it had not been called I wouldn't have considered it a missed call. It could have gone either way.
Old but Slow wrote:To get back to the proposed rule change, my main objection to this kind of rule is that it is too subjective. The league has too many rules governing behavior that is poorly defined. Pass interference, for example, is very widely interpreted by different officials. It is not like a face mask penalty or horse collar where there is little room for interpretation, but is evident even to the casual fan. The field officials already have a tough job, making decisions immediately, and knowing that they may be affecting the game.
We have come along way from the clothesline tackle, but that does not mean that we need to legislate every move.
Old but Slow wrote:To get back to the proposed rule change, my main objection to this kind of rule is that it is too subjective. The league has too many rules governing behavior that is poorly defined. Pass interference, for example, is very widely interpreted by different officials. It is not like a face mask penalty or horse collar where there is little room for interpretation, but is evident even to the casual fan. The field officials already have a tough job, making decisions immediately, and knowing that they may be affecting the game.
We have come along way from the clothesline tackle, but that does not mean that we need to legislate every move.
RiverDog wrote:I agree with that, but I'll add that the types of injuries this proposed rule is intended to prevent aren't life threatening like those involving the head and neck. A high ankle sprain or even a complex fracture isn't going to haunt a player for the rest of their life like a concussion or a spinal injury might. It's not a huge priority and is driven as much if not more by the popularity of the injured player than it is player safety.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Now that I've read the article, I think this is overkill. How are defenders supposed to bring a ball carrier down when they chase him down from behind. Banning the high horse collar tackle was legitimate. It was very dangerous. This rule would then make defenders always go for the feet, which I'm sure runner would love. Would be a lot easier to get out of that tackle. The game can't keep limiting defenders.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I agree about the horse collar; I think it had to go.
What it is it about hip drop tackling that is so wrong? Players get injured, that's a thing, but this seems to make it very difficult to tackle a ball carrier once he's past you or starting to run away from you.
c_hawkbob wrote:Doesn't matter, it's almost impossible to run down a ball carrier from behind and tackle him without letting your weight bring him down. It's effectively unenforceable. If they are going this rout they honestly should put flags on their belts so they can safely be tackled from behind.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I was thinking it just meant they were using their own dead weight to help bring the runner down. Swinging their lower body into the runners legs should be a no-no.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I was thinking it just meant they were using their own dead weight to help bring the runner down. Swinging their lower body into the runners legs should be a no-no.
NorthHawk wrote:Maybe I'm confused about what they really mean.
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