Harby to Denver.

[NorthHawk]

Wilson took a hit to his image last year so he could very well be motivated to do well and get he career trajectory back on track.
I hope so to get some good games from the AFC West.

[obiken]

I’ve heard analysis today that there will be a change , no more office , expect to be spoken to different then ever before , be challenged more .we will see . If I’ve got to challenge an employee with 12 years in any occupation I’d be sceptical. As I’ve said it doesn’t matter anymore other than pure curiosity . If Payton fixes Russell’s game tip of the cap . It’s a tall order IMO

They lost 3 OT games this year, still won 5 games with Hackett, I just think 9 wins is a done deal. Russ will have to start running, this will be-love him or hate him-his defining year.

[RiverDog]

I’ve heard analysis today that there will be a change , no more office , expect to be spoken to different then ever before , be challenged more .we will see . If I’ve got to challenge an employee with 12 years in any occupation I’d be sceptical. As I’ve said it doesn’t matter anymore other than pure curiosity . If Payton fixes Russell’s game tip of the cap . It’s a tall order IMO

They lost 3 OT games this year, still won 5 games with Hackett, I just think 9 wins is a done deal. Russ will have to start running, this will be-love him or hate him-his defining year.

That was last season. The Donkey have very little draft capital and cap space to improve their team and keep up with the Joneses, especially given that they will be converting to a different offense and might need different personnel to execute it.

[Hawktawk]

It’s going to be interesting . Payton came out yesterday and said “ Russel is a hard worker who has played at a very high level in this league “ encouraging words . I don’t think anything’s sure . Russ completed 60% last year with well under 20 TDs . Thatx not all coaching .

That’s rare for a guy who coached a guy throwing 70%, 5 k yards and 40 TDs every year . Might be a shock . Maybe Payton can adjust his offense . Tune in next September or maybe next summer to see if Russels Lear Jet is parked or in Monaco .

[RiverDog]

It’s going to be interesting . Payton came out yesterday and said “ Russel is a hard worker who has played at a very high level in this league “ encouraging words . I don’t think anything’s sure . Russ completed 60% last year with well under 20 TDs . Thatx not all coaching .

That’s rare for a guy who coached a guy throwing 70%, 5 k yards and 40 TDs every year . Might be a shock . Maybe Payton can adjust his offense . Tune in next September or maybe next summer to see if Russels Lear Jet is parked or in Monaco .

IMO coaching and scheme had little to do with Russell's failings last season. Having watched a good chunk of his games last season, there were lots of times where he made some very poor decisions, didn't see open receivers, threw into tight windows when he had easy first downs had he ran, things like that. A prime example is the overtime loss to the Colts where he had KJ Hamler wide open for an easy TD that he passed over in lieu of a covered receiver at the back of the end zone that accounted for one of those OT losses that Obi referred to. For a quarterback that has been starting for 11 years, that's not a coaching or scheme problem.

I'm not nearly as pessimistic about Russell's odds of turning things around as HT is, but he's going to have to make some significant changes in his game if he's going to make it happen. He did the same things in his first season with the Broncos that he was doing in his last few years with us, the most obvious of which is holding onto the ball too gawd damn long.

Last season, Russell's time to throw was 34th in the league. There were only 2 other starting QB's with 300+ attempts (Lamar Jackson and Justin Fields) that took longer than him, and they were at least 8 years younger. His holding onto the ball so long was directly responsible for his taking a league leading 55 sacks, a stat made worse by his playing in just 15 games. IMO he still hasn't come to grips with the fact that at 34 years of age, he's no longer a spring chicken. That's going to be Payton's biggest challenge.

[NorthHawk]

All that you mentioned is what good coaching is supposed to fix.
They have a real good base of talent in Denver. It just has to be better organized and focused.
With their RB's, I would expect like Payton had in NO a good run game which would take some of the pressure off of Wilson. A lot depends on how fast Javonte Williams recovers from ACL surgery, but they could pick up a RB later in the draft.
It should also have a better Defense if the Offense can sustain drives and give them some real rest.
I don't really care what happens, but I am interested nonetheless.

[RiverDog]

All that you mentioned is what good coaching is supposed to fix.

Russell's been playing NFL football for 11 years and has developed habits that coaching alone can't fix. He still has this instinct that he can escape quarterback sacks and extend plays, and until he recognizes his diminishing physical skills, Payton isn't going to be able to fix it.

Having said that, Payton has considerable moral authority over Russell that Hackett didn't have. Russell's also expressed an admiration for Payton for quite some time, and he has often times said that the quarterback he admired the most was Drew Brees. If anyone can 'fix' Russell, it's Sean Payton.

They have a real good base of talent in Denver. It just has to be better organized and focused.
With their RB's, I would expect like Payton had in NO a good run game which would take some of the pressure off of Wilson. A lot depends on how fast Javonte Williams recovers from ACL surgery, but they could pick up a RB later in the draft.
It should also have a better Defense if the Offense can sustain drives and give them some real rest.
I don't really care what happens, but I am interested nonetheless.

Denver's first pick in the draft is in the 3rd round, the #68 overall. Latavius Murray, who had 2 100-yard games for them, is a free agent. They have 8 offensive linemen that are free agents. Dre'Mont Jones, their best DL, is a free agent. One of their better linebackers, Jonas Griffith, is a free agent. The Broncos have just $8M in cap space, so they are going to have to make some tough decisions. Payton is going to have to pull a rabbit out of the hat.

[NorthHawk]

There will be good players in the 3rd round for them this year and they might not be able to re-sign all of their own, but the base is there, and they will re-sign some.
A coach sets the standard and Payton comes from the Parcells tree so it will be a lot different from an organizational perspective.
That, itself should add some sense of urgency and focus.

It’s up to Wilson to buy in or not and after being humbled last year he could come back with more determination and accept
the coaching Payton is expected to provide. But it’s up to him.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think Payton turns things around there myself. I think he has a clear vision of the type of offense he wants to run with Russ. I may not think Payton is Bill B or Lombardi, but he's a damn good offensive coach. He can take a mobile QB with a cannon arm and design an offense better than Hackett in my opinion. We'll see that next year I believe.

[RiverDog]

If you can believe Goober Bradshaw, Sean Payton turned down the Cards' job and opted for Russell Wilson and the Broncos at least in part because he didn't want to work with Kyler Murray. It's not apparent why he didn't want to work with him, if he didn't like his quarterbacking skills or if it had to do with his personality.

Hall of Fame quarterback Terry Bradshaw spoke with some reporters in Arizona on Tuesday ahead of the Super Bowl. Bradshaw, who worked alongside Payton as an analyst for FOX this season, shared some interesting information about how Payton landed with the Denver Broncos. According to Bradshaw, Payton passed on the Cardinals because “he didn’t want to work with that quarterback.”

But apparently, he wasn't thrilled working with Russell Wilson, either:

Bradshaw also indicated that Payton did not want to work with Russell Wilson, so the coach may have taken the Broncos job in spite of their quarterback situation — not because of it.

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/s ... ray/611214

[c_hawkbob]

I think Bradshaw is probably speaking out of turn but what he says seems believable to me.